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BuzzKill:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I happen to know both Paula Reeves and Sue Scheff and have for years. Paula tried to warn us about Sue years ago and we ignored her. The Washington DC reporter who got sued by WWASP said it best about Paula when he said "my enemy of my enemy is my friend" and that reporter may have the strongest dislike of Scheff than any of us--if thats possible.
A lot of people got sued because of Sue Scheff and Paula thought it was smarter to stay together to try to defeat WWASP. I think she has just had enough of Scheff like the rest of us.
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So in effect, ya'll made a deal with the devil for the sake of defeating WWASPS but in the process, ended up making PURE bigger and better?
Brilliant strategy. :roll:
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I always saw this a bit differently. I personally never ignored Paula. I guess I just felt if her experience with PURE had been alarming, she would have been more out spoken about it. I never even heard she was upset with Sorensen's, except for what Sue told me herself. Sue told me Paula was angry; and for awhile Paula was not very active in the group. But she was soon back, just like nothing had ever been wrong. Paula never mentioned it to me, until the Whitmore mess came to light - and even then, it was to explain how she knew Sue was unqualified and unethical, but still could and should be worked with.
She has changed her mind since then - but it is not like Paula was doing any outspoken protest, that the Trekkers in general, just ignored. Paula's willingness to over look it, (her upset with PUREs Sorensens placement) served to help lull me into a certain level of trust, that Sue was at least Trying to provide a better and safer alternative for families. This having been said - it is true Paula always made it clear Sue was not qualified to do what she is doing - and this we did all ignore for the sake of unity. I know some dealt with this concern by never suggesting anyone use PURE as a resource. I personally always stressed, the Trekkers as a group, had nothing to do with PURE - and I still say so. Still, I think we all felt confident Sue was good hearted and meant well; and would never tolerate abuse in a program PURE used. This was eventually proven to be a fantasy - but until Whitmore blew - we had no way of knowing.
try another castle, writes:
///I have another possible option for this. Better venue, because it would be in a film context, so no censorship. Long shot, but I'll talk to her.///
Please do
PS: it is possible Paula said things to others privately, I am unaware of. In fact, it is likely. So, keep in mind I am only talking about what I experienced.
Anonymous:
Buzzkill, when did you and the Trekkers actually realize that Sue Scheff continued to refer children to WWASP programs AFTER she started PURE?
Anonymous:
I wanna know what the trekkers think of Isabelle Zehnder, the child advocate who recommends PURE and chose a fellow trekker named Jeff Berryman, as one CAICA's Advocate of the Month?
What's her story?
BuzzKill:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Buzzkill, when did you and the Trekkers actually realize that Sue Scheff continued to refer children to WWASP programs AFTER she started PURE?
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Speaking for myself, it was when the WWASP V PURE transcripts were available for reading. I know I talked to a couple other Trekkers who were also surprised by that - as well as by how much money PURE was raking in. We had always been told what PURE brought in was enough to cover operating expenses and no more. So, once we had those transcripts, we were talking about a lot more than just Ken Kay's valuable testimony. And too - keep in mind - all this was being learned just as the situation with Whitmore was heating up - and Sue declared war on ISAC, and anyone who supported ISAC - making it impossible for me and a few others to have anything more to do with her. It all it the fan at once. Reminds of the Confucian curse: May you live in interesting times. ;)
Other Trekkers might have known a lot more a lot longer. I couldn't say. If they knew they kept it quite. I have wondered how it was possible for Donna not to know - and so by extension the others who were part of the group at that time. But maybe they really never knew. Sue can be very convincing. You guys who don't know her, have no idea.
BuzzKill:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I wanna know what the trekkers think of Isabelle Zehnder, the child advocate who recommends PURE and chose a fellow trekker named Jeff Berryman, as one CAICA's Advocate of the Month?
What's her story?
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Which Trekkers? Those who still are Trekkers, must think she's the cats meow. Most of the Ex-Trekkers think she is something else. What a piece of work, is often used to describe her. Dizzy & Izzahell are the terms of "endearment" used when naming her. I suppose she and Sue probably refer to these Ex-Trekkers as lying, manipulators with an agenda :roll: Also of corse many other vulgar and degrading terms.
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