Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > PURE Bullshit and CAICA
Carried over for comment from Historical document thread.
Anonymous:
Well, I think it's a good idea. It's the official court transcript. Worth taking a look at I would imagine if anyone has any questions about the testimony of witnesses (their identity, what they testified to, etc.)
My guess is the transcripts wouldn't cost that much for the reasons anon suggested.
Shouldn't be too hard to track down the court reporter or call the Broward County Court and find out what steps need to be taken to get in contact with the CR to find out the cost. Might be able to get the transcript on a CD which is really helpful, IMO.
If Buzz is willing, then interested parties should contact her?
Anonymous:
I wouldn't be comfortable collecting funds from people myself - and really have no experience in obtaining court records. Also, it might be viewed as almost a hostile act by both the women involved, as I despise them both; and they feel the same about me. Not that I care what they think, really, but this is something a more neutral party can do - so maybe that would be better.
I too would like to see a transcript of this "trial". But it seems to me getting a copy might be more along the lines of something ISAC would do - if they had the funding. Perhaps I can speak with the folks at ISAC and see what they think. If this seems Feasible to all, then getting the funds to ISAC would be a simple matter of making a donation, and noting it is to purchase the transcripts.
Anonymous:
Good suggestion BuzzKill. How about it ISAC?
BuzzKill:
Posted: 31 Dec 2006 04:11 Post subject: Donna Headrick
Donna H. was from Mass. or New Hampshire. Her death and her conviction should be public record in the state where she lived. I heard she was a "paralegal" but I wonder. Donna was quouted in one of Lou Kilzer's articles as being a "social worker." These 3 women (Sue, Donna and now this Izzy person are all accomplished liars IMO).
I too had heard about that Donna H. was in jail for something like what the poster said and that Sue was afraid WWASP would find out about it. Several people from the "trekker" group have talked about this but kept it to themselves.
As to BuzzKill thinking that the trekkers were into a cult and Sue was the head nut-case, I don't this they were a cult. I think these were parents and others like the Jeff guy who had come together against WWASP. It doesn't sound to me like they even knew among themselves which way to turn. Sue Scheff lead? The thought almost makes a person laugh out loud. Okay:
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New postPosted: 31 Dec 2006 05:41 Post subject:
Read a couple of articles by Donna Headrick by google search, and they stated Donna Headrick was from Portland, Maine.
Don't know anything about "cults" but it wouldn't seem like a stretch for anyone to believe that, YES Sue Scheff could be a LEADER among these people who found themselves fighting against WWASP.
Parents who talked with Sue Scheff certainly seemed to believe in her, and easily fell for what many have called her CON; and she's made money off many, many, desperate parents whom she referred to programs that have been proven to be abusive.
Yep, she could easily be called a LEADER.
Maybe not a nice, honest, caring person--but, yes a leader.
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I am not saying the Trekkers were an actual cult. What I mean is, there is a cult-like atmosphere to this group. It is very much like the cult of Sue. She behaves like a cult leader - banishing and demeaning anyone who doubts her. And the cult members (the Trekkers) behave like cult members anywhere. They seem unable to admit their leader has mis-lead them, despite overwhelming evidence. They become highly emotional and hostile to anyone who questions or disrupts their belief and faith in this leader.
And as for Sue being the leader - sure she is - of that small group of people. She is not openly questioned, and if she is, the offender is expelled. If she tells them to do this or that, they do it - pretty much with out question or debate. She has referred to herself as the Queen ant - and the Trekkers as her little ants - its pitiful, really. I think in some cases, they understand the reality; but choose to ignore it, so as to remain part of that group - a common practice among disillusioned cult members.
All this being said - the truth is - as a group - the Trekkers have in fact done a lot of good. Much more so than is publicly acknowledged. They are a good bunch of people. It is a shame they are so tainted by association with PURE.
Anonymous:
I don't know so much is the group the "trekkers" did so much good as did most of the INDIVIDUAL persons who were part of trekkers and PLUS those who wanted nothing to do with trekkers but mostly with the blithering nitwit Sue Scheff and PURE.
IMO. I know several who were dragged into Sue Scheff's web of deceipt but did so to fight against WWASP and not so much to help Sue and her immature crap she pulled so often. I think Scheff is a mental case. She has done more harm than good.
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