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Anonymous:
Would there be a reason that Sue Scheff would need/want a so-called "Advocate" site like IZZY's CAICA to be promoting herself and PURE?
What would the reason be?
Other than having Sue Scheff listed as the "Advocate of the Month" and advertising PURE on CAICA, that is?
If IZZY does want to self-promote herself as an "ADVOCATE" how can it make sense to promote Sue Scheff, who has referred children to WWASP programs, and other abusive programs for money?
How does any of this make sense?
Anonymous:
Sue is a one man band so her connection with Izzy is for some self-serving purpose. Sue may have made promises to Izzy but it's doubtful that Sue would GIVE Izzy any of the money she gets from Sue's referral business. Maybe Sue has got Izzy writing the "Sue-Sue" book "At my Wits End." Compared to Sue, Izzy would seem to be a brain. :rofl: Sorry but couldn't help the laugh on that one.
Marie Peart makes money on the referrals through PURE but that's different because Marie is needed by Sue to hook parents in, so, don't know for certain, but Sue and Marie split the fees I would guess. Marie uses her money to live on but Sue uses most of her money to fund her lawsuits--again I don't know this for sure but look at all of the money Sue Scheff spends on these lawsuits.
Sue hates Ginger and she wants to sue Shelby, Paula, Karen and maybe Christine Gomez. Sue is afraid of Ginger and Paula but she hates them all cause they don't do the Hitler/Scheff goosestep.. Sue hates Jeff Berryman too but he is "loyal" to Sue so she backs off in exchange for Jeff keeping his mouth shut. Obvious isn't it? Sue's few remaining "loyal friends" have said this.
Izzy is a wet rag who blows whichever way the wind blows. Izzy had a BIG falling out with the California lawyer, Tom Coleman, and he will have nothing to do with Izzy. I suspect Tom Coleman is onto Sue Scheff too and won't touch Sue with a 10 foot pole.
Izzy was soliciting money from all the parents and bragging that the CA lawyer was hiring Izzy and promised her a big salary. Izzy was telling EVERYONE ALL ABOUT IT. Izzy got fired as a receptionist from some law firm in Washington or somewhere in the northwest. Izzy disappeared and then come up with her bullshit CAICA.
Sue hated Izzy for her ditching Whitmore but, since Izzy took off Whitmore, Sue now LOVES the slovenly slob.
Remember Sue is losing credibility even with her remaining loyal Texan "friends" but they feel sorry for her they tell us. Sue bullshits them and they don't know everything--like how she sold them out to WWASP and almost got them sued-----but that's another story. [/b]
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Ginger Posted: Oct 25 2003, 08:15 PM
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When Straight, Orlando had to go to the trouble of changing their name, Loretta Parish and Mike Scaletta were very indignant and letigious over allegations that SAFE was just Straight with a new wrapper.
Well check this out, folks.
http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cg ... i?read=460
Re: Skyline Journey Challenge...."Three Peaks in a Week"
Posted by Sue Scheff on Saturday, 22 December 2001, at 12:50 p.m. (eastern time), in response to Skyline Journey Challenge...."Three Peaks in a Week", posted by Lee Ann Fielding, Admissions Coordinator on Wednesday, 24 October 2001, at 1:06 p.m. (eastern time)
I was recently introduced to Lee Ann Fielding and must say they offer a dynamic Self Growth Journey for teens that are losing their path in life. Lee Ann is part of a caring and loving family that brings Skyline into a class of their own. Although they are fairly new, the staff and family are very experienced with Wilderness and Behaviorial Programs. I highly recommend Skyline Journey to many families daily and feel that it is a place I would place my own child. Skyline Journey is part of The PURE Foundation that helps families find healthy and safe programs.
May you all have a very Blessed and Safe Holiday Season!
Sue Scheff
The PURE Foundation
http://www.HelpYourTeens.com
> Skyline Journey is pleased to announce the
> first clan to accept and complete the "Three
> Peaks in a week" challenge. The Bear Clan
> successfully summitted the following three summits
> in less the a week ~ Swasey (elev. 9,634), Howell
> (elev. 8,348) and Notch Peak (elev. 9,654), all
> located in the "west desert" of Utah.
> This challenge also included a night hike, lay
> over days and a Pizza/Banana split party to celebrate!
>
> If you would like more information on Skyline
> Journey, please call 866-822-8336.
And this:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&37
I wonder if Sue refered Ian August to Skyline Journey?
You folks are being taken for a ride. It's heartbraking.
Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 4:30 pm Post subject:
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The Academy at Cedar Mountain
Summit Achievement
Dr. Larry Bauer (Glacier Mtn Academy
Skyline Journey
Anyone know if this is correct info or of any other programs that PURE refers to?
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 4:32 pm Post subject:
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Excerpt from the best article written on Ian's death. How in hell did it happen that a child of his stature and condition was refered to a wilderness program by an Ed Con and approved for participation by an MD? We hear SO much about responsibility and accountability from program supporters, shouldn't the adults be held to the same standard?
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jul/07132003/utah/utah.asp
On July 5, Ian boarded a plane bound for Utah and the Skyline Journey wilderness therapy program, recommended to Judith by an educational consulting firm in Austin.
On his enrollment application, Judith listed Ian's troubles at school, his difficulty making friends and his increasingly threatening behavior. She had tried medication, special education, church programs, counseling and karate lessons to turn him around.
Now, she looked to Skyline Journey to help Ian develop more "harmonious" relationships, assume responsibility for his actions, gain respect for authority and recognize his self-worth.
She listed prescription drugs he took: Depakote and Topamax for bipolar disorder and Concerta for ADHD.
On Wednesday, the Food and Drug Administration issued a warning about the risks of hyperthermia associated with Topamax.
In response to a question about physical limitations, Judith wrote that Ian was overweight -- at 5 feet, 4 1/2 inches tall, he weighed 200 pounds -- and, with a low heat tolerance, was "easily overheated."
His heat intolerance was well known.
Classmate Taylor Sessions remembers Ian wandering the halls all sweaty, his hair drenched. One summer, Ian wore a gizmo-type fan around his neck to keep himself cool.
"He didn't want to be out in the heat at all," said neighbor Elena Michaelson. "He was pretty vocal about it."
Said Susan: "He was not an outdoorsy person. He was a couch potato."
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 4:48 pm Post subject:
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Ginger, the shit is deeper than I thought. I am curious though, as to PURE's followers, are they still blind to the truth about PURE?
I wish I could afford an attorney. If I could, I would take PURE and Bozak both to court on fraud charges.
The sad thing is that PURE and Bozak have now pulled ISAC into the debacle.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 5:19 pm Post subject:
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Yeah, what's going on with ISAC?????
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Carey, I don't know. I'm tired of asking politely. These are friends of mine we're talking about, the ISAAC ppl. I tend to think, as I said, they're being extremely gullible at the moment. I don't think any of these folks would intentionally support and work for the organizations that are doing to kids now what Straight did to us when we were kids. I think they're being manipulated. I hope I'm right about that and I hope they come to their senses soon.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 8:21 pm Post subject:
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On 2003-10-25 13:21:00, Antigen wrote:
"Ginger Posted: Oct 25 2003, 08:15 PM
Unregistered
When Straight, Orlando had to go to the trouble of changing their name, Loretta Parish and Mike Scaletta were very indignant and letigious over allegations that SAFE was just Straight with a new wrapper.
Well check this out, folks.
http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cg ... i?read=460
Re: Skyline Journey Challenge...."Three Peaks in a Week"
Posted by Sue Scheff on Saturday, 22 December 2001, at 12:50 p.m. (eastern time), in response to Skyline Journey Challenge...."Three Peaks in a Week", posted by Lee Ann Fielding, Admissions Coordinator on Wednesday, 24 October 2001, at 1:06 p.m. (eastern time)
I was recently introduced to Lee Ann Fielding and must say they offer a dynamic Self Growth Journey for teens that are losing their path in life. Lee Ann is part of a caring and loving family that brings Skyline into a class of their own. Although they are fairly new, the staff and family are very experienced with Wilderness and Behaviorial Programs. I highly recommend Skyline Journey to many families daily and feel that it is a place I would place my own child. Skyline Journey is part of The PURE Foundation that helps families find healthy and safe programs.
May you all have a very Blessed and Safe Holiday Season!
Sue Scheff
The PURE Foundation
http://www.HelpYourTeens.com
> Skyline Journey is pleased to announce the
> first clan to accept and complete the "Three
> Peaks in a week" challenge. The Bear Clan
> successfully summitted the following three summits
> in less the a week ~ Swasey (elev. 9,634), Howell
> (elev. 8,348) and Notch Peak (elev. 9,654), all
> located in the "west desert" of Utah.
> This challenge also included a night hike, lay
> over days and a Pizza/Banana split party to celebrate!
>
> If you would like more information on Skyline
> Journey, please call 866-822-8336.
And this:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&37
I wonder if Sue refered Ian August to Skyline Journey?
You folks are being taken for a ride. It's heartbraking.
Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth.
--Will Rogers
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FYI - Check out this link for posts written by Lee Ann Fielding promoting her services as a program watchdog.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&34
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This is really starting to blow my mind. I posted this info out here, on Marti's forum and at Don's Straight_Inc_Alumni on yahoo. It seems to have shut down all discourse on Don's list and nothing came back from Marti's, either.
What gives you guys? Have you suddenly realized that you got took, all caught up in a game of us against them? If that's all it is, haven't we all been there in some context at some point in our lives? All's forgiven, come home. Take your parents out to a nice Sunday Brunch and see if they look any different to you this morning.
But I'm just dying to know what you guys all think about all this. Did you know Skyline Journey was part of the PURE network? Did you know the history of that organization? I didn't. It was right in front of me, but the names are almost all at least vaguely familiar at this point. It took this long and Deborah explicitly pointing it out before I caught on.
What are you guys thinking? If anyone's telling ya'll to say nothing for fear of some horrible consequence, tell them to pound sand. RAMPANT talking out in group is the only solvent I know of to undo the sticky glue that gives these groups cohesion.
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Carey
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PUREst do you know the real reason Sue pulled her daughter from CSA?
Could it be that she was pursing sexual harrassment charges against against a fellow employee (who by the way she referred his child to CSA - and appears to have received a referral fee for). It appears she seems to think that he placed his child in CSA in order to get close to her.
To me it appears that Sue is not worried at all about kids, she is worried about Sue...then and now. She did not pull her child because she was worried about the care of her daughter. As a matter of fact she says in a letter to CSA "If they want to destroy their child's program by playing a victim, however don't drag mine down with them." She goes on to say "At this point the XXXXXXX should be liable for my daughter's delay in working the program due to deformation of charcter."
No wonder she has no problem placing kids in her versions of "safe programs."
She is using you people. If you have a case against WWASP...she is sinking your ship.
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:19 pm Post subject:
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What do you mean sexuall harrassment?
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:41 am Post subject:
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Carey,
Where did you get this information. It appears to me that you certainly seem to know alot about Sue's personal business. How do you come by all this stuff? Just very curious.....
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Where the information came from is not important. What it tells us about Sue is.
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Carey, I don't know of any reason not to tell ppl the source. If we're talking about a lawsuit (i.e. sexual harassment suit) this is public info, not private info.
That's one of the eloquent features of our system of justice if done right. Whenever you bring a matter before the courts, the matter becomes public. If the public, via our courts, are going to decide the mattter, then we all have a right to know what the hell we're talking about. Theoretically, moreso in days past, less so today, this works as a disincentive to people using the courts in a malicious way. Most people like to settle private matters privately.
I can tell you that, when I was younger and better looking, I was sexually harassed a couple of times. Most of the time, a cold stare and clear communication is enough to discourage unwanted advances. Sometimes, a kick in the nuts is required. But I've never in my life found it necessary to draw the public, or even a boyfriend or brother, into such a triffling, private matter.
Some people prefer to employ any kind of coercion available to reach their objectives. We have a word for that kind of person. Starts with an S, ends with a T and sounds like SNITCH. Note that Snitching is a core tenent of Program philosophy.
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 4:12 pm Post subject:
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O.K., your saying that Sue was pursuing a sexual harassment case against someone that "she" worked with? I guess I'm not getting what your saying. And she removed her kid from CSA because this person put their kid in there to get close to Sue's kid? I'm confused, could you explain again please? Thanks.
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 1:04 pm Post subject:
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Anonymous:
Sue Scheff's Texas friends can read about Scheff promoting such a place a Skyline and still say "they feel sorry for Sue?"
Give me a break.....and explain why Scheff deserves any type of pity? She made MONEY referring kids to Skyline!
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