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TeenProgram.info a scam?
Nihilanthic:
--- Quote ---On 2004-04-28 21:25:00, an anonymous coward wrote:
"Because the kid is a heroine/alcoholic drug addict that lied to everyone. only thing he didn't do was end up in jail or die. od'd twice. expert liar. and no abuse was administered to 'him', he wrote of abuse of other kids. cps is involved and will be visiting soon. guess he is better off here than in prison. "
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If 'here' was your house and you did your job as a parent, perhaps.
notworking:
--- Quote ---On 2004-04-28 21:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Because the kid is a heroine/alcoholic drug addict that lied to everyone. only thing he didn't do was end up in jail or die. od'd twice. expert liar. and no abuse was administered to 'him', he wrote of abuse of other kids. cps is involved and will be visiting soon. guess he is better off here than in prison. "
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Well, unless he's a she and is saving kittens stuck in trees, he's not a heroine. I'm assuming you mean heroin, the drug. Addiction to heroin requires medical detoxification. Why did you put him in a school instead of in a hospital?
How do you know no abuse was administered to him? Maybe hasn't gotten around to telling you yet. The fact that CPS is "involved" and plans to visit means absolutely nothing. CPS will only see what the facility wants them to see.
More than anything, though, you're going to need to get over this anger at your child or you're not going to be an effective parent when/if he does come home. That's what amazes me most about program parents -- how ANGRY they are that their kids dared to turn out less than perfect. Maybe if you worried a little less about your feelings and a little more about your child's, you would have been able to resolve his problems at home. I'd be terrified if my kid was addicted to heroin. I would probably be angry at him for being so stupid as to try something he knew was dangerous. And it would hurt me terribly. But I wouldn't think he was the enemy, and I wouldn't view his problems as some sort of personal attack on me. I wouldn't call him names or figure he was better off in an abusive facility than at home.
Anonymous:
you poor folks are clueless about kids on drugs. they don't care about anything else other than themselves. he admitted to lying to everyone around him and that every 'friend' he had was a bad influence on him....funny that the whole world around hi8m is bad, but not him. far as discipline, as a stepfather people say you don't care as much...total lie. i raised him since he was 4 and watch a young man grow up with values. my wife was the one who did not stand up to his lies and drugs. all for her need for his approval. the lies reflect his rebellion, the drugs an aftereffect. tlc is a behavior modification facility that focuses on discipline and respect for sources of authority. if some of you have so much evidence, then get educated and get off your butts and sue them. you just want to whine. my son is staying until he turns 18, then he chooses his life....for good or in prison.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-05-09 07:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you poor folks are clueless about kids on drugs.
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No, actually as a group, we're unusually well familiar w/ the issues surrounding kids on drugs, rebellious kids and the various ways our society has gone about trying to deal w/ these issues.
Many of us were in your step-son's shoes and most of us are now the grownups in the situation. I would recomend that you throw yourself into the issue of prisoner abuse. How fortunate for you that the media has decided to showcase this issue for you just at a time when you might be able to use it.
One fact that comes up over and over and over again whenever we talk about prisoner abuse for purposes of interrogation is that information derived through torture is notoriously unreliable.
Now, just for clarification, till you brought it up, I don't think I'd ever heard of TLC Bootcamp by name. So I don't know exactly what goes on there, but I assume it's very similar to other facilities usually described as specialty schools for troubled teens. Having been in a situation where the only way to make the torment stop was to go ahead and "admit" to whatever my jailers wanted me to say, I have less than zero confidence in anything these kids confess to while under duress.
Bottom line, if this kid who you say you love so much is telling you that this place is abusive, believe the kid. If it turns out he's lying, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If it turns out he's telling you the truth and you ignore him, you may well wind up grieving the loss of a child or, as is more often the case, the kid just won't have much to do w/ you once he's able to put some distance between himself and you. That means you miss out on those casual visits, being a part of your grandkids' lives and all the rest.
More's the sorrown for the kid in that scenareo (again, I speak from experience) After all, you still have your TOUGHLOVE hategroup for support and consolation. The kid has to go it alone in the world. That sucks more than anything, believe me. Everybody has their downswings; times when things aren't going right and the whole world just seems hostile and judgment. It's times like these when normal people go home for a dose of that unconditional familial love that sustains us all. For those of us who's homes and families have been hijacked by the TOUGHLOVE hategroup, there is no such refuge.
I am sick unto death of obscure English towns that exist seemingly for the sole accommodation of these so-called limerick writers -- and even sicker of their residents, all of whom suffer from physical deformities and spend their time dismembering relatives at fancy dress balls.
--Editor of the Limerick Times
(Limerick, Ireland)
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cherish wisdom:
DEBORAH: Ken Stettler has moved up in the world! He is now the DIRECTOR of UTAH HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. Never make the mistake of refering to anyone else under his command as a director - BECAUSE HE IS THE ULTIMATE RULER AND DIRECTOR OF EVERYONE NOW LEST YE FORGET. I have actually e-mailed this individual. The last time I mailed him I reminded him that he was a public servant and not a king sitting on a throne (after he told me that my letter was uncivialized - imagine that). I also told him that I knew he was the director because I had read about all the deaths of children in Utah facilities and I've read all of his lame quotes(he now refuses to communicate with me). Sounds like he started out small - what do you know about HRH Ken Stettler? He was a supervisor of licensing? The most recent casualty of licensing these youth facilities was Kelly Husbands (who has since resigned after the death of this staff member in Cedar City) The supervisor who said he knew nothing about US CODE title 42 was L.J. Dunsman.
If anyone wants to email Mr. Stettler about abusive programs in Utah here's his address:
kstettler@utah.gov
He is a piece of work!
In order to live free and happily you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice.
-- Richard Bach
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[ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-05-09 21:49 ]
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