TeenProgram.info a scam?

[Anonymous]

Anybody have info on http://www.TeenProgram.info the site owned by John Bundy who also owns http://www.TEEN-BOOTCAMP.COM, http://www.TLCPROGRAM.COM, http://www.TROUBLEDTEEN.COM, http://www.WESAVETEENS.COM, http://www.militaryschool.us, http://www.defiantteenager.com, http://www.parenthelpcenter.org, http://www.bethel-academy.com ...

http://www.TeenProgram.info slogan is "The Watchdog of Troubled Teen Schools and Programs", but how can it be a watchdog site if it is owned by John Bundy who owns the for profit business Parent Help, INC.?

People like John Bundy are the individuals who are the driving force behind the tough love industry. Selling and often trading teens to programs all for profit and at the expense of families all around the country.

People have been posting Bundy's websites over on the We've been there forum. Multiple usernames, yet they all look like a cookie cutter praise for Bundy's websites that most likely bring Bundy profit through his Parent Help Company.

Please post any other sites or companies that may be owned by John Bundy.

http://www.teenprogram.info

Registrant Name:John Bundy
Registrant Organization:Parent Help
Registrant Street1:231 N Mall Dr.
Registrant Street2:Suite M201 B
Registrant City:St. George
Registrant State/Province:Utah
Registrant Postal Code:84790
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.4356279662
Registrant Email:[email protected]

http://www.TEEN-BOOTCAMP.COM

Registrant:
John Bundy
Parent Help
231 N Mall Dr.
Suite M201 B
St. George, Utah 84790
United States

http://www.TLCPROGRAM.COM

Registrant:
John Bundy
Parent Help
231 N Mall Dr.
Suite M201 B
St. George, Utah 84790
United States

http://www.TROUBLEDTEEN.COM

Registrant:
John Bundy
Parent Help
231 N Mall Dr.
Suite M201 B
St. George, Utah 84790
United States

http://www.WESAVETEENS.COM

Registrant:
John Bundy
Parent Help
231 N Mall Dr.
Suite M201 B
St. George, Utah 84790
United States

http://www.militaryschool.us

Registrant Name: John Bundy
Registrant Organization: Parent Help
Registrant Address1: 231 N Mall Dr.
Registrant Address2: Suite M201 B
Registrant City: St. George
Registrant State/Province: Utah
Registrant Postal Code: 84790
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US

http://www.defiantteenager.com

Registrant:
John Bundy
Parent Help
231 N Mall Dr.
Suite M201 B
St. George, Utah 84790
United States

http://www.parenthelpcenter.org

Registrant:
John Bundy

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Business Parent Help, INC.

Business Name: PARENT HELP, INC.
Entity Number: 1394371-0142
Registration Date: 2/2/1998
State of Origin: UT
 
Address

30 E 750 S

ST GEORGE  UT 84770  
Status

Status: Active
Status Description: Good Standing
This Status Date:4/16/2002
Last Renewed: 12/30/2002
License Type: Corporation - Domestic - Profit
Delinquent Date: 2/2/2004
 
Registered Agent

Registered Agent: JOHN H BUNDY
Address Line 1:30 E 750 S
Address Line 2:
City:ST GEORGE
State:UT
Zip:84770

[Anonymous]

John Bundy was employeed by WWASP/Teen Help for several years.  He obviously learned his tactics there.  
He is NOT a watch dog for programs.  What he does is sweet talk the parents into thinking he is doing them a great service then turn around an charge them $2,000.00 + to send their kid to a program.  For instance, if a program is $4,000.00 per month, Bundy tells the parents the first month is $6,000.00 per month.  He doesn't tell the parents that he skims off the $2,000.00 for himself.  He is not up fromt and honest with the parents. He is no more interested in what happens to the teen once they get to the "program" then he could fly to the moon. He is only in this for the almighty $$$.  Feeding off a families emotions is, in my mind, a travisty!!!!
Bundy is not much better then the PURE scam.  PURE tells you they are "free" then turns around and only will refer programs that pay a hefty headhunters fee.  Is someone like that looking out for the best interest of the kid or family??  NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:  :mad:

[Anonymous]

It's tactics like these that make some people wonder about possible ties to Scientology

[Anonymous]

Where did you get the data to tie John Bundy to these various organizations?

[Anonymous]

How do you know John Bundy is employed by WWASPS?

[Anonymous]

How do you know John Bundy is employed by WWASPS?

[Anonymous]

Hmmmm

Bundy, John
415 PIMLICO DR
SAINT GEORGE, UT 84790-7435
[email protected]
GRISELMETHOD.ORG


Bundy, John
321N N MALL DR STE M201B
SAINT GEORGE, UT 84790
IMATROUBLEDTEEN.COM

Why not call him up and ask him if he was ever a clam? (435) 627-9662

Here's a neighbor, if you wanted to interview them
AMERISTAR NETWORK INC
321 N MALL DR UNIT 102
SAINT GEORGE, UT 84790-7302

Ok, here's an interesting hit
L K & ASSOC
321 N MALL DR
SAINT GEORGE, UT 84790

Historically Related Domains:  
Total Domains: 9    
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DIGITALMORTGAGELOAN.COM  05/30/2002  LOANPOOL.ORG  05/03/2003  MORTGAGELOCATOR.ORG  05/03/2003  
MORTGAGESUCCESS.NET  05/02/2004  MORTGAGESUCCESS.ORG  05/03/2003  TEENHELPGUIDE.COM  01/15/2003  
VLENDER.ORG  05/03/2003  VNETBRANCH.COM  05/30/2002  VNETBRANCH.NET  05/30/2002  

This is more than just a neighbor. This is a former contact for teenhelpguide.com

[Anonymous]

Simply ask around in this industry.  Close friend of one of the owners of WWASPS.  Has 110 kids enrolled in his TLC program - says tuition is $3,800 a month.  Kids sleep on the floor for as long as they are in boot camp - 60-120 days?  They don't even make arrangements for these kids to have their sleeping bags washed.  They don't show that picture on their slide presentation?  Wonder why?  Oh, they have a new building but the only heat comes from patio heaters.  She has postings about the education offered there, but they don't bother to advertise the fact the cadets are DEPRIVED of any education as long as they are in boot camp and their first priority is behavior modification.  Willa Bundy has also posted that she has worked closely with the State of Missouri...problem is...I could not find one person employed by the State of Missouri that backs that up?  Better check it out.

[Anonymous]

I know about the lies and the problems.  The bundy's are scam artist.  The try to scare people with their lawyer, but in all reality they have to have a good lawyer, to keep everything on the up and up and to keep people from trying to find out to much about them.  This is why they are always on the move they don't stay in either states for very long.  Neither one of them have degrees that either one can prove.  Willa will tell great stories about her super masters degree.  She claimed while I was there that several people on the staff were college educated when in all reality.  I was the only one, I was told by willa that her husband went to a jr. college but never finished, but on one of the chat forums she claims he has a Bachelors.  COMPLETE LIE.  Willa bundy is the biggest liar you will ever meet.  I Knew everytime she talked to me she was lying, but I would just smile.  I stayed working there as long as I could just for the kids.  I was eventually let go because I was tired of her lying to kids and I called her out and she became mad and decided it was time for me to go.  I saw so much stuff.  I wish the Bundy's Could be stopped the biggest problem is they have had so many people working there, if we could all get together we could stop these people from ruining and making there pockets bigger which is all they are really concerned about.  They will say whatever you want to make you think they care about you kid, but in all reality they don't. :mad:

[Anonymous]

So has anyone heard about child abuse at TLC boot camp? Our son just sent us a letter (not read by TLC) and it doesn't sound too good.

[cherish wisdom]

I've never heard of Bundy before. But the WWASP aka teen help aka family first aid aka struggling teens are all found in the red rock City of St. George.  Not surprising that this organization is also from Utah. Utah is the HUB of all abusive teen programs. The industry is protected by all authorities - the ONLY time they take any action is when a child dies (recently a staff member died in an escape attempt). The only regulations for these places are "core rules."  A supervisor in licensing in UTAH gleefully told me that these facilities do not need to abide by State and Federal Law or even HIPPA regulations. When I asked him about US Code Title 42 - he said he didn't know anything about that.  Here's the supervisor of licensing of facilties in the State of Utah - who doesn't know abuot title 42.  He said, "parents need to do their homework and research befor they send their children to a residential program in Utah."  I think someone should place a Bill Board on the borders of the state warning people of the institutionalized child abuse that is sanctioned and condoned by the Government.  

No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats---approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
--Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom:

[Antigen]

On 2004-04-28 13:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"So has anyone heard about child abuse at TLC boot camp? Our son just sent us a letter (not read by TLC) and it doesn't sound too good."

Why don't you go, right now, unannounced and see for yourself?

America when will you be angelic
When will you take off your clothes....
America after all it is you and I who are perfect
Not the next world.
--Allen Ginsberg

[Deborah]

**Here's the supervisor of licensing of facilties in the State of Utah - who doesn't know abuot title 42. He said, "parents need to do their homework and research befor they send their children to a residential program in Utah." I think someone should place a Bill Board on the borders of the state warning people of the institutionalized child abuse that is sanctioned and condoned by the Government.***

No kidding: UTAH Home of the Teen Hurt Mafia

Are you refering to Ken Stettler- Dir of Licensing? He used to be in Youth Corrections. He has a history of overlooking violations. The Aaron Bacon murder being the most flagrant- he 'trusted his fellow saints' to correct the violations. Amazing that the guy has admitted publicly on several ocassions to overlooking violations and he's still in the directors seat. How could that be?

Do you know that DHS promotes Utah Wilderness programs? http://www.das.state.ut.us/cc/dec2002/wilderness.htm
[Photo of Stettler too]

[Anonymous]

Because the kid is a heroine/alcoholic drug addict that lied to everyone. only thing he didn't do was end up in jail or die. od'd twice. expert liar. and no abuse was administered to 'him', he wrote of abuse of other kids. cps is involved and will be visiting soon. guess he is better off here than in prison.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-28 21:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Because the kid is a heroine/alcoholic drug addict that lied to everyone. only thing he didn't do was end up in jail or die. od'd twice. expert liar. and no abuse was administered to 'him', he wrote of abuse of other kids. cps is involved and will be visiting soon. guess he is better off here than in prison. "

Sad, that you have no other options but to keep your child under lock and key in some facility alleged to be abusive.  Are you not at all worried that your son could come out of this place in worse shape than he went in?  What would that accomplish?  Every child deserves the best care and treatment no matter how troubled (or troublesome) they are.