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marcwordsmith:
thanks for the "luck" Ginger.

Well, I've searched the 80's guy's posts and haven't found what I need yet.

But what do you think of the following? Is this "safe" to say?

"The Seed was highly publicized, and the attention eventually proved destructive to for the program. In 1974 the U.S. Senate published a study that accused the Seed of using methods similar to North Korean communist brainwashing techniques. The bad press, in conjunction with lawsuits, forced the Seed to scale back its operations dramatically. GRADUALLY, the Seed shrank to a small fraction of its former size, and was only permitted to accept voluntary ?clients? who were at least 18 years of age. The Seed endured in this diminished capacity until it finally closed in 2001."

marcwordsmith:
Then again, maybe I had it right in the first place. The following is from thestraights.com

By 1975 Barker had opened four expansion Seeds, but in 1974 both houses of the US Congress had investigated The Seed and produced critical reports with the US Senate likening Barker's methods to the brainwashing methods employed on American POWs by North Korean Communists. The Senate forced NIDA to require Seed clients to sign a "risk to human  subjects" form as required by NIDA's own policy for grants involving human experimentation. Barker balked at this and lost his bid for an additional federal grant for expansion.  . . .
Barker said that he could not comply with the new state regulations (one can only guess what he objected to) and on October 13, 1975 he lost his license to operate the founding Seed program. [Soon afterwards Barker got his license re-instated to operate a drug rehab apparently for adults-only (18 and above). He is still in operation to treat adults, but if you check with the Office of Children and Families I think they may tell you he is also licensed to treat adolescents.]"

So then, it sounds like, from this, the Seed was required to go to an "only 18 or over" policy from the mid-70s on. Yet the Cleveland Seed was a late 70s phenomenon, wasn't it? And they took adolescents. Hmmm . . .

ANYWAY . . . new question: What's this about FOUR expansion Seeds? I only knew of Dade and St. Pete, in addition to the original one in Ft. Lauderdale.

GregFL:
I just don't know what is accurate.  Did they relicense that way, or did the intentionally relicense that way, or did they just have an internal directive not to take 18 year olds?

I think, without further verification, just saying they officially stopped taking people under 18 is the most accurate thing to say.

Good luck Marc!

marcwordsmith:
Thanks, Greg.

Here's where I'm at now, and what I feel good about committing to print:

"The Seed was highly publicized, and the attention eventually proved destructive for the program. In 1974 the U.S. Senate published a study that accused the Seed of using methods similar to North Korean communist brainwashing techniques. The bad press, in conjunction with legal pressure from the National Institute on Drug Abuse and curtailing of federal funding, forced the Seed to scale back its operations dramatically. By the late 1970s, the Seed had shrunk to a small fraction of its former size, and was only admitting voluntary ?clients? who were at least 18 years of age. The Seed endured in this diminished capacity until it finally closed in 2001."

By the way, I just noticed that I'm not even officially "a regular around here" yet.  What's up with that? I've been around since 2002; I think that counts for something!! I posted on the original "The Seed Sucks" thread!!

But I need to post four more times before I become a Fornits olcomer, so to speak. Whatever!

 :D

Antigen:

--- Quote from: ""marcwordsmith"" ---But I need to post four more times before I become a Fornits olcomer, so to speak. Whatever!

 :D
--- End quote ---


Well then! If you're going to use that kind of language!

Seriously, though, I think Wes has the documentation on licensing changes.

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