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RobertBruce:
Well gosh it almost sounds like you're describing "tough love".

Now where have we heard that phrase before?

Deborah:

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No the kid mentioned did not belong at HLA and Buccellato knew it.  He had no business being there at all.  The kid had also been through a ton of therapy before coming to HLA and none of it worked.  He could not go home because he would have been a danger to his family.
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A danger to his family, so they stick him in a warehouse with with kids with low self-esteem and ODD?


--- Quote ---He really needed to be in prison.  I have no problem with him getting a dose of Mark Keith since everything else had failed and the next option would have been jail for a very long time.  Obviously Mark's way of doing things is not best for all kids.  He would be the first to tell you that.  But when you have certain kids, usually ones who should have never been at HLA in the first place, that all other options have failed other than jail then I think he is very effective.  For those kids, the time for love and limits is gone.  
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So, what is Keith's method? Was it "effective"? What happened to the kid?
Was this the one who left to do jail time and returned to finish?

Anonymous:
I wouldn't really call his method "tough love".  I would say that he is best with kids who are a step away from jail and what he does is shows them how miserable life can be if they don't make a decision to let someone help them through whatever they need help with.  He is not there to do therapy as much as he is there to motivate them to give the therapy offered to them a try.

I know of no studies that supports his way of doing things.  Then again, I don't know of any studies that support any way of helping kids that get to that point.  I do know that the kids that get to that point don't have much else to lose.  The odds of helping any of them at that point are very small.

No.  It is not the student that went to jail and came back.  

The student I am talking about ended up going to another placement.  I believe a lock down.  HLA dismissed him.  I don't know how he did after that.

Anonymous:
Jesus that was retarded. Of course there's no studies that support his way of doing things. I can practically guarantee you it just makes things worse.

What do you think is going to happen when you express that kind of hatred at kids? Do you think they're going to say "well maybe I am a worthless shit"? Maybe the more passive kids, the ones that had no psychological problems at all before they got in there, will think that (and only really start hating you some time after they get out), but do you really think that's going to work on some serious hardcase?

No, what you're going to get is someone who hates you more than he cares about himself. Of course that kid ended up being even more misanthropic to the point where not even HLA could handle him. What the hell did you expect? You practically spooned rage down his throat.

And now that HLA is buckling like a cheap bridge in a hurricane, you're probably looking for a way to inflict this shit on kids somewhere else. Go take up sea urchin juggling instead.

Anonymous:
Then what do you propose you do with the kids who beat the hell out of someone with a metal lock in a sock just for kicks.  Remember, he has been through a ton of therapy already from many different counselors.  What do you do to change the kid who does this and shows no remorse?

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