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« on: November 04, 2006, 04:29:23 AM »
as a surviver of the hyde instsitutition, i feel like i need to say something about my experience here. i graduated hyde last year, in 06, and i was never as troubled or "off track" when i was not at school. parents, teachers, doctors, all cannot figure out what is wrong. being told what to look like, who to associate with, what i can and cant put into my body, these things were never questioned. But when i was free of the institution, everything started to feel better.
Joseph W. Gauld, one of three founders of the hyde school, is an interesting person. the only time i ever talked to him face to face, it was in a conferance with my parents. my parents weekend was not going well because i insisted that i change schools, which is not accepted. he yelled at me and told my father to "kick him out, and spray him with a hose when he's comes back to your porch." he was the angriest person in the room, besides me. i read some of his essays from the 1970s, in a collection called "the courage to grow." he examines such relevant topics as weather it is ok to beat your kids, or if blacks and whites are intellectually equal. he states that black men are superior in areas such as music and expression but do not have the intellegence to succeed academically. people that i have brought this up with respond with the fact that he wrote it 35 years ago. fuck that. how this racist, hateful, child-smacking asshole is allowed to educate children is way beyond me.  
i saw a lot of changes in the four years i was forced to spend at hyde. one thing that did not change was that every year a large majority of students were "ethically dishonest." it is easy to see through people when they only do the bare minimum to keep up apperiances. the morals and ideals of the five words and principals  are great. i can't argue that "courage" is a bad thing, but the inability to act and think for myself is not the way i am going to use it. it is very striking to me the contrast between the wholesome and ethical image projected by the leadership of hyde and the utter unprofessionalism of the faculty. during my time at hyde bath, not only was i battered by the ex-dean without provocation, but a student at the school was molested by a teacher. the hyde school did not follow up on the case legally. recently i learned that a teacher at the bath campus had sex with a newly graduated student, and returned to work the following year only to leave after it came out. i have heard similar allegations of abuse and misconduct at the Woodstock campus, but have no direct evidence to confirm them. the fact is, hyde is cashing in on your insecurities. the sooner these people are exposed the better.
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Re: thoughts about hyde
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2006, 09:48:15 AM »
Quote from: ""daedalus""
as a surviver of the hyde instsitutition, i feel like i need to say something about my experience here. i graduated hyde last year, in 06, and i was never as troubled or "off track" when i was not at school. parents, teachers, doctors, all cannot figure out what is wrong. being told what to look like, who to associate with, what i can and cant put into my body, these things were never questioned. But when i was free of the institution, everything started to feel better.
Joseph W. Gauld, one of three founders of the hyde school, is an interesting person. the only time i ever talked to him face to face, it was in a conferance with my parents. my parents weekend was not going well because i insisted that i change schools, which is not accepted. he yelled at me and told my father to "kick him out, and spray him with a hose when he's comes back to your porch." he was the angriest person in the room, besides me. i read some of his essays from the 1970s, in a collection called "the courage to grow." he examines such relevant topics as weather it is ok to beat your kids, or if blacks and whites are intellectually equal. he states that black men are superior in areas such as music and expression but do not have the intellegence to succeed academically. people that i have brought this up with respond with the fact that he wrote it 35 years ago. fuck that. how this racist, hateful, child-smacking asshole is allowed to educate children is way beyond me.  
i saw a lot of changes in the four years i was forced to spend at hyde. one thing that did not change was that every year a large majority of students were "ethically dishonest." it is easy to see through people when they only do the bare minimum to keep up apperiances. the morals and ideals of the five words and principals  are great. i can't argue that "courage" is a bad thing, but the inability to act and think for myself is not the way i am going to use it. it is very striking to me the contrast between the wholesome and ethical image projected by the leadership of hyde and the utter unprofessionalism of the faculty. during my time at hyde bath, not only was i battered by the ex-dean without provocation, but a student at the school was molested by a teacher. the hyde school did not follow up on the case legally. recently i learned that a teacher at the bath campus had sex with a newly graduated student, and returned to work the following year only to leave after it came out. i have heard similar allegations of abuse and misconduct at the Woodstock campus, but have no direct evidence to confirm them. the fact is, hyde is cashing in on your insecurities. the sooner these people are exposed the better.


Everything, and I mean everything, you say about Hyde is like my own experience there.  I don't know who you are, but we seem to have traveled the same path (I was at Woodstock).  THe hypocricy you describe is the same that I saw at Woodstock.  All the Hyde principals sound real good, but the true reality is laughable.  Some people at Hyde take that stuff seriously, but so many students just play the game and keep their head down.  The same is true of many staff.  They talk a good game, but their behavior contradicts so much of what Hyde says it stands for.  I've also seen staff yell at kids, call them names, provoke them, and all that.  It infuriates me that the Hyde leaders act as if this stuff doesn't happen.  Parents who send their kids to Hyde probably have no idea what really goes on there.

And what you say about Joe Gauld is absolutely true. I saw him completely lose it with students and parents.  The guy is such a hypocrite.  He talks about humility and then flips on the switch and acts like the most arrogant person imagineable.  Why he's still around is hard to understand.  

We need to spread the word about Hyde.  Hyde may have some successes (I think they're often the children of staff or siblings of alumni), but overall it's a disgrace.
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Re: thoughts about hyde
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2006, 02:31:44 PM »
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Quote from: ""daedalus""
as a surviver of the hyde instsitutition, i feel like i need to say something about my experience here. i graduated hyde last year, in 06, and i was never as troubled or "off track" when i was not at school. parents, teachers, doctors, all cannot figure out what is wrong. being told what to look like, who to associate with, what i can and cant put into my body, these things were never questioned. But when i was free of the institution, everything started to feel better.
Joseph W. Gauld, one of three founders of the hyde school, is an interesting person. the only time i ever talked to him face to face, it was in a conferance with my parents. my parents weekend was not going well because i insisted that i change schools, which is not accepted. he yelled at me and told my father to "kick him out, and spray him with a hose when he's comes back to your porch." he was the angriest person in the room, besides me. i read some of his essays from the 1970s, in a collection called "the courage to grow." he examines such relevant topics as weather it is ok to beat your kids, or if blacks and whites are intellectually equal. he states that black men are superior in areas such as music and expression but do not have the intellegence to succeed academically. people that i have brought this up with respond with the fact that he wrote it 35 years ago. fuck that. how this racist, hateful, child-smacking asshole is allowed to educate children is way beyond me.  
i saw a lot of changes in the four years i was forced to spend at hyde. one thing that did not change was that every year a large majority of students were "ethically dishonest." it is easy to see through people when they only do the bare minimum to keep up apperiances. the morals and ideals of the five words and principals  are great. i can't argue that "courage" is a bad thing, but the inability to act and think for myself is not the way i am going to use it. it is very striking to me the contrast between the wholesome and ethical image projected by the leadership of hyde and the utter unprofessionalism of the faculty. during my time at hyde bath, not only was i battered by the ex-dean without provocation, but a student at the school was molested by a teacher. the hyde school did not follow up on the case legally. recently i learned that a teacher at the bath campus had sex with a newly graduated student, and returned to work the following year only to leave after it came out. i have heard similar allegations of abuse and misconduct at the Woodstock campus, but have no direct evidence to confirm them. the fact is, hyde is cashing in on your insecurities. the sooner these people are exposed the better.

Everything, and I mean everything, you say about Hyde is like my own experience there.  I don't know who you are, but we seem to have traveled the same path (I was at Woodstock).  THe hypocricy you describe is the same that I saw at Woodstock.  All the Hyde principals sound real good, but the true reality is laughable.  Some people at Hyde take that stuff seriously, but so many students just play the game and keep their head down.  The same is true of many staff.  They talk a good game, but their behavior contradicts so much of what Hyde says it stands for.  I've also seen staff yell at kids, call them names, provoke them, and all that.  It infuriates me that the Hyde leaders act as if this stuff doesn't happen.  Parents who send their kids to Hyde probably have no idea what really goes on there.

And what you say about Joe Gauld is absolutely true. I saw him completely lose it with students and parents.  The guy is such a hypocrite.  He talks about humility and then flips on the switch and acts like the most arrogant person imagineable.  Why he's still around is hard to understand.  

We need to spread the word about Hyde.  Hyde may have some successes (I think they're often the children of staff or siblings of alumni), but overall it's a disgrace.


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Re: thoughts about hyde
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2006, 01:28:59 AM »
Quote from: ""daedalus""
as a surviver of the hyde instsitutition, i feel like i need to say something about my experience here. i graduated hyde last year, in 06, and i was never as troubled or "off track" when i was not at school. parents, teachers, doctors, all cannot figure out what is wrong. being told what to look like, who to associate with, what i can and cant put into my body, these things were never questioned. But when i was free of the institution, everything started to feel better.
Joseph W. Gauld, one of three founders of the hyde school, is an interesting person. the only time i ever talked to him face to face, it was in a conferance with my parents. my parents weekend was not going well because i insisted that i change schools, which is not accepted. he yelled at me and told my father to "kick him out, and spray him with a hose when he's comes back to your porch." he was the angriest person in the room, besides me. i read some of his essays from the 1970s, in a collection called "the courage to grow." he examines such relevant topics as weather it is ok to beat your kids, or if blacks and whites are intellectually equal. he states that black men are superior in areas such as music and expression but do not have the intellegence to succeed academically. people that i have brought this up with respond with the fact that he wrote it 35 years ago. fuck that. how this racist, hateful, child-smacking asshole is allowed to educate children is way beyond me.  
i saw a lot of changes in the four years i was forced to spend at hyde. one thing that did not change was that every year a large majority of students were "ethically dishonest." it is easy to see through people when they only do the bare minimum to keep up apperiances. the morals and ideals of the five words and principals  are great. i can't argue that "courage" is a bad thing, but the inability to act and think for myself is not the way i am going to use it. it is very striking to me the contrast between the wholesome and ethical image projected by the leadership of hyde and the utter unprofessionalism of the faculty. during my time at hyde bath, not only was i battered by the ex-dean without provocation, but a student at the school was molested by a teacher. the hyde school did not follow up on the case legally. recently i learned that a teacher at the bath campus had sex with a newly graduated student, and returned to work the following year only to leave after it came out. i have heard similar allegations of abuse and misconduct at the Woodstock campus, but have no direct evidence to confirm them. the fact is, hyde is cashing in on your insecurities. the sooner these people are exposed the better.


Daedalus,
High five to you for helping to expose the truth about Hyde.  You have heard similar stories of abuse at the Woodstock campus because it is true.  I was there when it happened to a girl I know, but Hyde's followers try to minimize it and sweep it under the carpet.  

Are you interested in starting a blog or another site dedicated to Hyde?  The only way we will get more people to come forward is to be accessible and I am not so sure it is easy to find Hyde on Fornits when you google Hyde. Let me know your thoughts.  I think there are lots more students out there who would join in if they knew about a site for Hyde
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2006, 03:41:58 PM »
Whats the story with all this sexual abuse by teachers?  There are posts all over this site about several incidences?  Doesn't Hyde screen their teachers?  Do you think the problem could be the type of teachers Hyde attracts and the low salaries they pay?  How could it be that there is no one watching out for our kids and no accountability?
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2006, 10:35:27 PM »
my daughter was at hyde as freshman last year...her father and I are divorced.  He did not want me involved with the parent program since he was the paying parent.  We have a shared parenting plan, and at summer challenge he got away with that ....but not after Hyde saw I existed... then I was allowed to participate after that.  I did..and invovled myself a lot with the Hyde process.....and this dad did not like this and would not re enroll her the following year, and I was disappointed.  I would like my daughter back at Hyde and she would like to be there too.  I am still involved with the parent progam without being enrolled at Hyde and I get a lot of value from this process dispite the negitive feedback on this site.  I am happy for the skills she learned,because my daughter recieved a lot of confidence from this school that helped her make a transistion to another school.... and I give Hyde the credit for that dispite her horrible parents.....
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2006, 12:19:07 AM »
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Whats the story with all this sexual abuse by teachers?  There are posts all over this site about several incidences?  Doesn't Hyde screen their teachers?  Do you think the problem could be the type of teachers Hyde attracts and the low salaries they pay?  How could it be that there is no one watching out for our kids and no accountability?


The question is, why are we hearing about abuses at Hyde including sexual abuse by teachers and staff?  Is there any accountability outside school grounds?  Is there a watchdog committee making sure our kids are safe?  How does the govt intervene with private boarding school?

No doubt what you are sharing is important, but it is equally important that we find out about anything harmful at Hyde and this website is exposing a lot of negativity regarding the boarding schools.
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Re: thoughts on hyde
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2006, 12:35:48 AM »
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my daughter was at hyde as freshman last year...her father and I are divorced.  He did not want me involved with the parent program since he was the paying parent.  We have a shared parenting plan, and at summer challenge he got away with that ....but not after Hyde saw I existed... then I was allowed to participate after that.  I did..and invovled myself a lot with the Hyde process.....and this dad did not like this and would not re enroll her the following year, and I was disappointed.  I would like my daughter back at Hyde and she would like to be there too.  I am still involved with the parent progam without being enrolled at Hyde and I get a lot of value from this process dispite the negitive feedback on this site.  I am happy for the skills she learned,because my daughter recieved a lot of confidence from this school that helped her make a transistion to another school.... and I give Hyde the credit for that dispite her horrible parents.....


Clearly you have a big problem with an "ex" and clearly you need help with this.  It would be wise for you to seek professional counseling rather than advice from staff at Hyde whose lives are more screwed up than yours.  You might as well go to a free 12 step program where they aren't after your money.

I challenge you to look around the room at Hyde and see what type of people are "committed" and "involved."  Listen closely and then read up on Cults.  Look for the resemblance.  I look at the Hyde website and see the names of the same confused staff and parents in key positions years later.  Although they feel they are getting a lot out of Hyde, they are right where they were years ago.  Only difference is they have Hyde to lean on and feel a certain security sharing their misery with others in the same boat.

I don't mean to be hard on you, but I am trying to get you to face reality.  Great that you feel you are getting something out of Hyde, but is it really anymore than having people pat you on the back and say, "I can relate to that?"  Why are those same key people still struggling with the same problems they had 25 years ago?
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2006, 06:17:19 AM »
yes, absolutely. i was thinking the other day that there are more than enough outspoken victims of hyde to orgonize resistance. i am very interested in starting some sort of website or something to dispell myths about the virtues of hyde and educate people before they get sucked in.... i have no experience with this sort of thing but i feel like it is my responsibiliy to fight this thing. lets get in touch somehow?....
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2006, 01:12:15 PM »
whattya call this?!
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Re: resistance
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2006, 07:41:11 PM »
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yes, absolutely. i was thinking the other day that there are more than enough outspoken victims of hyde to orgonize resistance. i am very interested in starting some sort of website or something to dispell myths about the virtues of hyde and educate people before they get sucked in.... i have no experience with this sort of thing but i feel like it is my responsibiliy to fight this thing. lets get in touch somehow?....


Maybe you cooda orgonized your thoughts a little better two while you're on some sort of website like this one.
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Re: resistance
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2006, 11:04:07 PM »
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yes, absolutely. i was thinking the other day that there are more than enough outspoken victims of hyde to orgonize resistance. i am very interested in starting some sort of website or something to dispell myths about the virtues of hyde and educate people before they get sucked in.... i have no experience with this sort of thing but i feel like it is my responsibiliy to fight this thing. lets get in touch somehow?....


Don't you know anyone who can start a site or a blog?  Don't want to take away from Fornits because Ginger has been wonderful giving us this outlet, but starting a Hyde site could add another venue for Hyde students, parents and staff to vent.
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Re: resistance
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2006, 05:11:50 PM »
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yes, absolutely. i was thinking the other day that there are more than enough outspoken victims of hyde to orgonize resistance. i am very interested in starting some sort of website or something to dispell myths about the virtues of hyde and educate people before they get sucked in.... i have no experience with this sort of thing but i feel like it is my responsibiliy to fight this thing. lets get in touch somehow?....

Don't you know anyone who can start a site or a blog?  Don't want to take away from Fornits because Ginger has been wonderful giving us this outlet, but starting a Hyde site could add another venue for Hyde students, parents and staff to vent.


I would wholeheartedly support a Hyde blog.  I know many former Hyde parents who are extremely eager to inform others about their very negative experiences at Hyde.  Of course, people who have had good experiences there would also be free to post.  There's so much "behind closed doors" muttering about Hyde that it's important to get all of this out in the open.
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2006, 05:27:12 PM »
Duncan McCrann, who was head of school at Hyde Woodstock, is no longer in that position.  Does anyone know why?
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Re: Head of School at Hyde Woodstock
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2006, 06:40:14 PM »
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Duncan McCrann, who was head of school at Hyde Woodstock, is no longer in that position.  Does anyone know why?


He "supposedly" wanted to do what he loves, go back to teaching.  How come Hyde is not honest about the real reason he left the same way they teach the students to be honest?  Part of the hypocricy of Hyde.  Obviously things were not working out well for Duncan in the position he was in and the Gaulds wanted to make a change.  Then again, could it be that word got around about his son being sodomized on the Bath Campus?
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