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RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---What state authority is HLA required to adhere to but doesn't?
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They have lied to the state regarding their purpose. Again you know this, by bringing it up you are only highlighting it for newcomers. The school claimed to the SOS, and ORS that they were a traditional boarding school with the primary purpose being education. Anyone who has ever set foot there knows this is not the case. ORS has guidelines for RTC's which hla meets the requirements of and should be licensed as (which again would mean state oversight. Can't have that now can we?) Further they advertise to both parents, ed cons, and online as a theraputic boarding school. Perhaps you can explain the discrepancy.
--- Quote ---How could HLA operate if they do not adhere to a state authority they are required to adhere to?
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See above answer. They lied to the state.
--- Quote ---If HLA determines the appropriateness of its students then any student they deem appropriate would be appropriate. Is that not logical?
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Perhaps, except hla admits certian students to the school after claiming to parents and in their literature that they do not. Would you care to argue otherwise?
--- Quote ---Are you stating that Divinity does not prepare someone for counseling? What evidence do you have that these individuals you refer to as inappropriately trained truly do not have quality clinical skills?
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The evidence would be they never went to school for it, thus they are not trained. Oh and yes divinity does not adequetly prepare someone for counseling. I've met Kees.
--- Quote ---Are you positive that a private institution is required to adhere to all of these regulations and authorities or would you just prefer that they did?
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A private institution? No probably not. I guess it's a good thing hla has accepted federal funds huh?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""F. Lee Bailey"" ---What state authority is HLA required to adhere to but doesn't?
How could HLA operate if they do not adhere to a state authority they are required to adhere to?
If HLA determines the appropriateness of its students then any student they deem appropriate would be appropriate. Is that not logical?
Are you stating that Divinity does not prepare someone for counseling? What evidence do you have that these individuals you refer to as inappropriately trained truly do not have quality clinical skills?
Are you positive that a private institution is required to adhere to all of these regulations and authorities or would you just prefer that they did?
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The students are not appropriate if the decision made on their appropriateness is in contradiction to their stated standards. HLA has accepted violent students. HLA has accepted sexual predators. Does this fit in to what HLA deems appropriate, or is it more likely that Len Buccellato needed heads in beds so he compromised HLA's standards. To say that a student is appropriate just because Len gives his stamp of approval is not only arrogant, it is dangerous. There are no checks and balances.
Yes I am stating that a masters in Divinity does not prepare someone for counseling unless the concetration within that degree was counseling. And the criminal justice degree also does not prepare for counseling. Divinity degreed people have routinely been poor counselors at HLA and have a much larger learning curve than MA's in counseling or even MSW's.
RobertBruce:
--- Quote from: ""F. Lee Bailey"" ---Robert,
I feel compelled to help you here. First, HLA is a private organization, it is not a public school, it is not a state agency, both of these would require state supervision. Second, most student at HLA have failed to be successful in multiple other settings including public school envirionments, private boarding schools, military schools, wilderness programs and residential treatment facilities. This is the nature of the student with which HLA deals. There are plenty of fine traditional boarding schools available for children. Unfortunately, these students have failed to succeed in these environments.
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Oh please, allow me to help you. HLA is a private organization ( wait are we talking about the for profit or the non profit versions of hla?) that has accepted federal funds. Further under GA law any RTC private or not is required to be subject to state oversight. Furthermore if everything at HLA is as great as you want people to believe it is, why would they have any reason to avoid state oversight? It would seem to me if it's really that great, they would have nothing to worry about.
Anonymous:
Robert
First, are you certain no private organizations are allowed to accept federal funds?
Second, doesn't government oversight tend to increase cost and reduce efficiency? Ever been to a governement agency to get anything done?
Sounds like HLA is just not living up to your expectations. Thank goodness we live in a Capitalist society so you have other schools to choose from.
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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""F. Lee Bailey"" ---Robert
First, are you certain no private organizations are allowed to accept federal funds?
Second, doesn't government oversight tend to increase cost and reduce efficiency? Ever been to a governement agency to get anything done?
Sounds like HLA is just not living up to your expectations. Thank goodness we live in a Capitalist society so you have other schools to choose from.
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Based on your enrollment numbers of late I would say that a lot of people feel they have other schools to choose from and are making that choice.
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