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« on: October 12, 2006, 12:54:18 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/12/boy.t ... index.html

Remember, abusing your children at home is both cheaper and more entertaining than sending them off for someone else to do it! All you need is a little ingenuity, a little elbow grease, and the complete absence of a soul or any sanity whatsoever! Try it today!
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 01:03:03 PM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal""
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/12/boy.tortured.ap/index.html

Remember, abusing your children at home is both cheaper and more entertaining than sending them off for someone else to do it! All you need is a little ingenuity, a little elbow grease, and the complete absence of a soul or any sanity whatsoever! Try it today!


Yeah, hi, I usually post on StrugglingTeens looking for the cheapest program I can find for my out of control teen.  I saw your link and I was wondering what these people would charge me to take my daughter in.  I just don't have time to do this myself.  Golf, tennis and my shopping just take far too much time for me to handle this kid.  Thanks.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 01:25:57 PM »
Well, he got arrested for aggravated child abuse simply for doing what most hellholes do, but never fear! It's MGDP to the rescue! For a low, low price of only $2000 a month in small, unmarked bills- half of what the programs charge!- I'll gladly take your daughter, and send you progress reports* on how much she's being treated by treating her basic human rights as "privileges"!

Don't delay! Call the Milk Gargling Death Penalty today for your free consultation!

*Progress reports will be complete bullshit, as I'm not actually a child abuser. We'll spend the money and laugh it up at your expense.
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I too wonder
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 02:51:56 PM »
As a person living outside the States, I too wonder.

What is the difference between isolating your kid in your home and in some institution giving education not recognised by the United States Department of Education?

None!

I just dont get it.

I am touching a hot topic here and homeschooling is not the answer for a human being facing the challenges of the modern society.

We have tried so to build an education system here Denmark, which should be second-to-none, when it comes to live here in our country. We are almost there and the sacrifices have been so harsh. We had to cut back international relationship in order to understand ourselves better and make us better Danes.

It is costly and there is a huge demand for information and a free speach debate in that process for both the youth and the adult.

Restricting acces to information, communication and impose censorship for books, litterature and other media prevents the child from achieving their goals.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2006, 02:58:04 PM »
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Restricting acces to information, communication and impose censorship for books, litterature and other media prevents the child from achieving their goals.


Yeah- from their goals of doing drugs, being violent towards family members and getting into trouble.  You people are SO ignorant and angry that you can't see thet there are GOOD programs (which I will not name- we know how that goes here) that rely on isolation and censorship- to help kids GROW emotionally.  You people just don't get it!  This is exactly why I post on ST- and not in this shit pit.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2006, 03:00:25 PM »
10/10

I've said it before, I'll say it again: When it's hard to tell the trolls from the real thing, that's how you know you're on Fornits.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2006, 03:02:17 PM »
You just did post here. :roll:

There are assholes here and in every other corner of the world.  There are also people here who have been civil and simply asked questions.  Your excuse for not naming these so called "good" programs doesn't fly.  If they're that good then surely they can't stand up to a little scrutiny.  If you start getting attacked personallly, don't respond to those....respond only to those who are being civil if that's how you feel.  Don't just run away.  There really are people here who, while they strongly disagree with you, would still like to have some semblance of a normal dialogue.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2006, 03:41:14 PM »
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Restricting acces to information, communication and impose censorship for books, litterature and other media prevents the child from achieving their goals.

Yeah- from their goals of doing drugs, being violent towards family members and getting into trouble.  You people are SO ignorant and angry that you can't see thet there are GOOD programs (which I will not name- we know how that goes here) that rely on isolation and censorship- to help kids GROW emotionally.  You people just don't get it!  This is exactly why I post on ST- and not in this shit pit.


And how does mentioning a program name go over on ST? It would seem the parents rely on isolation and censorship over there.
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Good programs
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2006, 04:40:04 PM »
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Yeah- from their goals of doing drugs, being violent towards family members and getting into trouble.  You people are SO ignorant and angry that you can't see thet there are GOOD programs (which I will not name- we know how that goes here) that rely on isolation and censorship- to help kids GROW emotionally.  You people just don't get it!  This is exactly why I post on ST- and not in this shit pit.


Yes, there is good programs outthere.

A good program is a program that only keep the person admitted for the period needed to fix the problem. A stay over a year is not fixing the problem. It is earning money.

We also have drug use in Denmark. And we solve the problem by intervention from family and friends. This step can take up to 10-12 hours.

The next step can only be taken, when the user admits that he has a problem. You can drag a horse to the trough, but you cant force it to drink.

A good program only accepts users that had taken the first step themselves. It should not take those, that someone drag to the program in handcuffs.

Step two is detox and learning skills so the user dont go back to his home. This step must not take longer than about 4 weeks. The personal war against drug use is not won in an enclosed enviroment. There you only can win battles, not the entire war. It is won in your home.

A good program recognise that every person has his past, his roots, his relatives. The user is isolated physically, but not mentally. Unlimited Email and Web-access should be the minimum and there should be no censorship. If a relative can not be present at the treatment facility and that is regretable not always the case, supporting communication is the motivation for the user to go on the program. It would prevent the user from feeling left behind and deserted.

Step three is winning the war, while you live in your normal community. But you always has to remember that drug use is like cancer. Relapse is a real risk throughout the rest of your life. Acknowledge that and you are on the top.

A good program acknowledge that the battleground is there were the drug use started and send the user back facing the problem as soon as the user is ready.

The problem is that good program are hard to find because a lot of people just have to feed of others suffering. They can't help it. I am afraid that being a maggot or volture is a darker side of the human nature.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2006, 04:46:57 PM »
Damn it, this is the same strugglingteen turd that's been vexing the other thread.  I may not be a proctologist, but I can state definitively that this guy is an asshole.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2006, 05:28:53 PM »
don't get all worked up.  MGDP is right scoring it a 10/10.  i was just fooling about with an impersonation... :wink:
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2006, 08:12:41 PM »
We dont really have a home schooling movement here so without debating its merits, what measures are there in place to see that a kid gets an education?
Do parents who choose this option have to meet any state requirements in terms of minimum standards for assessment? How does it work in terms of college applications? Does it vary from state to state?
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2006, 08:26:14 PM »
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We dont really have a home schooling movement here so without debating its merits, what measures are there in place to see that a kid gets an education?
Do parents who choose this option have to meet any state requirements in terms of minimum standards for assessment? How does it work in terms of college applications? Does it vary from state to state?


There are a lot of misconceptions about homeschooling.

Penn State followed through on home schooled kids (they are now graduating college) and found their college performance to be the same as public schooled kids. So there appears to be no harm done.

Homeschooled kids often still attend public schools for some subjects and functions. They are often permitted to play in school sports or take foreign languages, for example.

Studies have shown that homeschoolers have teaching backgrounds and many are/were certified teachers. There are very few incompetent parents just trying to muddle through.

Homeschooled kids still have to take the same standardized tests as kids in school. Their education must meet State standards in most States.
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2006, 11:04:20 PM »
Physical isolation and holding them captive is uh... unnecessary and a violation of rights.

Why condone that?

Personally If I DID have a problem I would not want to be kept in an institution or put through a 'structured environment' becuase I dont like them, I dont benefit from them, and Id be more interested in escape than getting any help from anything. Feeling forced and captive isnt part of therapy in MY book, dunno about yours.

If someone willingly seeks treatment why on earth would you need to or want to hold them captive? I dont get it.

And uh, could you spare the "admit there is a problem" schtick? It really irks me being part of stepcraft and reeks of convincing people of nonexistant problems and their reluctance to accept that 'fact'.

But hey, this is just fornits, dont mind us...
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2006, 04:30:35 AM »
I was homeschooled as a child until the age of 18.  Although I found it isolating at times, it did not mean i did not have friends on the outside.  The education i received was from an accredited institution and was generally top notch (although infused with a liberal dose of religious indoctrination).

As you can see i am quite literate (more so than for example, many staff i would meet in the program i would be sent to.)  Home schooling, although not particularly my desired form of education at the time, actually put me ahead of many of many of my collegues, educationally, who i would later meet at college.

I was sent to program because it was advertised as a boarding school.  My parents and I were having a religious and philosophical dispute at the time which contributed to this decision(they are very religious, i am not).  We both undersood that the reason for my placement in benchmark was to complete High school.

After a year of hell, they figured out enough of what was really going on in program to "rescue me".  We found, by simply not discussing certain issues and/or aggreeing to disagree, we were able to get along fine.  All that is needed for reconciliation between parents and thier children is for the truth to come out.

I hear ex-"students" on this site bashing their parents for sending them there.  I felt the same way until i realized they had no idea what was going on.  They were lied to and the little communication that was allowed was filtered and distorted to convey the meaning the staff members wanted.  Yes there were some parents of students I knew who were just plain fucked up, who didn't care.  90% of them, however, were, and still are, kept in the dark.  It is impossable to know which of the two groups your parents are in until they are exposed to the truth.  If they had known, I would never had forgiven them as I have.

Lies went both ways.  I was told lies about my parents as well.  Communication was filtered so there was no way to know the truth.  The goal of many programs is to sever the relationship between the parent and child to produce a buffer of mistrust, damaging the credibility of any accusations the children had, while at the same time making it less likely for the children to trust thier parents enough to confide in them.

The program i was at was for over 18 students.  It was run by a former CEDU employee, director of Hilltop, (Jayne Longnecker), who hired from much the same pool  (such as her ex-CEDU accountant) as the rest of the schools on this forum.

They used CEDU's techniques as well, such as the Lifespring derivative, "profeets", known where i was "Benchmark Young Adult School," as "Friendship Workshop". Sleep deprivation, no food, forced confessions, tacky music, forced self-mockery, humiliation and other mind games were all inherited from CEDU, as well as some inventions of their own.  They purchaced the rights to use these techinques (which makes me wonder whether the CIA has any intellectual property they wish to sell).

You may wonder "How could they do this if the students were over 18?"  Well the program was in a -- not very nice area of southern california.  We could leave if we wished (and many tried), but we could not take our money or many of our belongings.  My identification was held from me, further complicating the possibility of leaving program.  Yes they could not legally do this, but they did, and what was a student to do?  Get a lawyer?  With what money?  Contact the parents?  With what credibility?

Students who went AWOL with no money, no transportation, no housing etc. were forced to live on the streets, under bridges and in tunnels.  Some were raped, some are dead, and some are probably still living on the streets (no doubt deserving their fate for not following the "program")  This type of thing is a common sight in Redlands california.  The local police are told the students are problem kids who couldn't deal with the program.  Given the propensity of the police to believe the "educational institution", the kids had little hope of alerting legal attention (nor did most of them have much faith in the "system" given their experiences with institutions of authority).

Students who went AWOL knew their chances, and yet they still left.  Ask yourself why?  No it's not drugs or booze.  You need money for that, and half of the student population had no substance issues anyway.  Students were there for: (and i'm quoting their entry on NATSAP:)
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?    Academically unsuccessful
?    Adoption issues
?    Attention deficit (ADD/ADHD)
?    Distressed family relationships
?    Drug/alcohol abuse
?    Inability to emancipate
?    Irresponsible behavior
?    Lacking motivation
?    Learning differences
?    Poor judgment
?    Requiring structured environment
?    Shy/withdrawn
?    Signs of depression
You may say "oh they could sell themselves for drugs."  They could.  But i would imagine some did sell themselves for food.

They had NO qualifications whatsoever for learning disabliities.  I have a handwriting disablilty known as disgraphia.  We informed the program of this fact when I arrived.  An educational psychologist certified this as an educational requirement.  We were told i would be able to use my palmtop computer to take notes, and after a month i would receive my desktop computer.  During this first month, no parent communication is allowed at all.  A cynical person would suspect this is because the tuition refund deadline expires by then.

After a month of being an absolute angel, my palmtop was suddenly taken away, and I was informed i would not be getting my desktop either.  I was shocked.  I thought since i obeyed all the rules I would be rewarded.  WRONG.

So then i began to speak out.  If they were not going to play by the rules, why would I?  Were they supposed to be some sort of example of "how to be trustworthy".  As i realised the lies, i felt like such a fool.  One wound not expect such treatment from a licenced instution.  Licenced by whom?  oops.

When i was placed in a motel for being a little too vocal about the abuse that took place in the program, and a little too influential over other the attitudes of othere students, i would let AWOL kids stay in my room.  When this was discovered, i was transferred to another motel.

Motels are where approximately 30 to 40% of the student population (when i was there) were placed under these, or similar circumstances.  It was meant to be a punishment but many saw it as a reward.  It was hardly a reward, however.  Although i was able to (by threatening legal action and bluffing about procuring a pro-bono lawyer) procure the remainder of my posessions that had been denied and adequate sustainence, most students in motel were only provided with Three "Cup 'O' Noodles" a day along with a granola bar.  (go look on the back of a cup of noodles, under nutritional informaion, i dare you.  Consult a nutritionist if this does not somehow bother you.)  Some were kept on this inadequate diet for months.  The motels were hardly luxurious and were raided by the cops on an almost nightly basis for anything ranging from domestic violence to drug dealing. (Redlands is not a nice place at night)  Although the tuition was 80000 a year at the time, Benchmark only paid 60 dollars a week for the motel i stayed in.  My parents were "appalled" by what they saw there.

It is worth noting that students posessions are kept by benchmark in a warehouse connected to the Benchmark "Ed-centre" (which is "emptied" occasionally.)  Students who leave program are not allowed to get their property back, and are told they must receive authorization from their parents.  Given the propoganda, and censored communication, do you think the parents are likely to aggree, considering they are often told a student will buy drugs with the loot.  Now consider that i brought with me over 3000 dollars worth of computer equipment(value at the time).  The warehouse was littered with goodies.  What do you think happens when the warehouse is full?

There has been one suicide in the program that i know of as well as multiple attempts.  While I was there, a 17 year old kid attempted suicide, which he later explained was an attempt to get a vacation from the place.  Suicide attempts were sent to a local medical facility, and when released were returned to program.  The were forced to pay the bills covering the cost of the ambulance by working for less than minimum wage on "work ethic" which was a system of punishment wherby "fines" were worked off at 2.50 an hour.  Since fines were handed out so freely for things such as, talking to girls (at level one, this was not allowed), it was not uncommon for half of the student population to be working the entire weekend away, digging holes in a sand pit, and then filling them back up.  Conditions were not sanitary at all.  The sand contained anything from broken glass to animal bones.  The parents visiting were told a Volleyball court was being built (though they never saw the students laboring).  I was told this when i toured.  When i came to Benchmark in 2001, They keep one empty, remodeled apartment to show visitors, and claimed that the rest were in disrepair and being remodeled.  A student i recently contacted, who was sent to the school in 2003, was told the exact same thing about the apartments when he toured with his father.

We were told by staff members (who probably believed it considering their level of education) that we had signed our constitutional rights away when we entered program.  Although I tried to point out this was not legally possable, many kids there had been in program since their early teens and had no idea what was, or was not, against the law.  It's not like the emphasis was on education in the program there.  None of the resident councelors during my stay at benchmark even had high school diplomas (although many had multiple felony convictions,) yet this place was accredited as a high school.  Students in need of high school diplomas were bussed off to Redlands Adult School where they (if they were lucky enough to earn the privelage to attend) finished their high school educations.

To those who ask: Why yes it is a member of NATSAP.  Perhaps you can request a tour for which cherry picked students (threatened with "consequences") will be delighted to tell you what a wonderful place Benchmark is.  This was routine whenever there was a parent coming to tour the facility and interview students.

To those who certify schools i have one word for your naivete: Terezienstadt
If indeed it is naivete, and not corruption.

I was very lucky since most kids were simply dropped on the streets, as my parents were told told by the program's Goebbels like parent relations councelor, that i would fail miserably and cause all sorts of chaos.  This parent relations councelor's name is Carl Janowitz.  Some may know him from such wonderful student getaways such as "Cascade" which was shut down for rampant child sexual abuse.  He has since left the program and is now a child psychologist in Thailand (which he frequented in program to visit his sponsored children).  Now i am going for my master's degree as an art/IT student so his predictions of failure have proven a little off the mark.  Thanks Carl for the vote of confidence.  I love you Carl.  Hugs. :D

To The Benchmark Employee spidering the web:

If some Benchmark employee wants to contest these facts pointed out in this document in court, I would welcome the opportunity.  Remember who you are fucking with Jayne.  I've had a lot of time to prepare, and you throw out a lot walking, talking, bundles of gratitude who i'm sure would love the opportunity to jump to your defense *sarcasm intended*.[/quote][/b]
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