Author Topic: Borderline Personality Disorder  (Read 8372 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: From Deborah's it is on the Internet it must be true fil
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2006, 04:20:49 PM »
> despite the cocktail of dozens of anti-psychotic drugs she was on

MEDICATIONS APPENDIX
ANTIPSYCHOTICS

Trade Names

Abilify
Zyprexa
Seroquel
Risperdal
Geodon
Haldol
Mellaril
Thioridazine
Stelazine
Trifluoperazine
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Borderline Personality Disorder
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2006, 07:26:32 PM »
///And the tiny percentage of on Borderlines, who by the way,
don't qualify for disability, and their insurance companies won't
pay for their treatment either. ///

This is not true,  I know several BPD patients who are on a mental Health disability. It IS true many BPD's do not need disability. Many are high functioning and actually hold high level employment. But others are disabled by the disorder and they do qualify. That being said, applying for disability is not an easy process and most applicants are turned down on their first try. If the patient needs disability, they will almost certainly need a family members help with the process.

Also, know this - once you apply the payment tally begins - so that if it takes them a year to approve the disability - they will get a years back pay - and this can be helpful in helping them get set up in a little apartment somewhere. Also - many cities have nice housing set aside for the mentally ill - and it can be quite nice - and it is always very cheep. Check with your local department of health. They should be able to tell you who to call. If you have a listing for mental health, state there. Also check with the local housing authority.  You'll probably have to spend an afternoon on the phone, tracking down the correct department - but it might be well worth the effort. If your city has this kind of housing,there will be a long waiting list, so don't wait if you think you *might* want to take advantage of this housing.


If an insurance company with mental Health benefits denies a BPD patient coverage  -- appeal that - and report it to your insurance commissioner's office. Be prepared with articles and pertinent books on the subject of treating this disorder. You must educate yourself, b/c You need to make the case that it can in fact be treated with success. Your therapist should be able to help with this.

One last thing - people will lie to you. Do not assume they are being truthful or that they know what they are talking about. Again - educate yourself, so that you can see through the bull shit when they hit you in the face with it - b/c they will.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Borderline Personality Disorder
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2006, 07:33:27 PM »
One more thing - if it is legal in your state, record all conversations with insurance reps; as well as doctors offices; and even school personal. This can be very helpful when disputing a charge; or proving unethical treatment of a client by an insurance company or school personnel.. Believe me - it can be very gratifying, as well as effective, to be able to say: You did to tell me  - fill in the blank  - and I have it on tape.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Borderline Personality Disorder
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2006, 11:12:45 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
One more thing - if it is legal in your state, record all conversations with insurance reps; as well as doctors offices; and even school personal. This can be very helpful when disputing a charge; or proving unethical treatment of a client by an insurance company or school personnel.. Believe me - it can be very gratifying, as well as effective, to be able to say: You did to tell me  - fill in the blank  - and I have it on tape.


Thanks for your two posts of advice!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: I'm disgusted up to my ass with all this shit ...
« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2006, 04:05:58 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
All 3% of the population that has Bipolar Disorder.

Plust 1% with Schizophrenia.

And the tiny percentage of on Borderlines, who by the way,
don't qualify for disability, and their insurance companies won't
pay for their treatment either.

This huge % of the population pisses you off ...

Perhaps it is you that needs to get a life, muddle heat.

Stop your crying and start helping people ... whaa, what too tough a task, easier to bitch?


There's no helping someone that constantly uses their supposed disorder to be a dick.

I'm not the one who's crying.  I'm sick of them whining about their disorder, disease, syndrome, addiction and how nobody wants to help them.  Quit whining, start attempting to help yourself and maybe people would respond a little more favorably.  Mark Foley took about 6 seconds to invoke the 'I'm an alcoholic' excuse.  Same with Patrick Kennedy but he threw in depression for good measure too.  Pedophiles cry about how they were abused as kids.  Fuckheads who beat their wives are slapped with some sort of personality disorder and sent to anger management.  I'm sick and fucking tired of people trying to pawn their behavior off on their 'illness'.  Again, I think, and as you posted, the percentage of people who actually suffer from these supposed illnesses is infantesimally small.  Most of them are just assholes who got caught being an asshole and are now crying about how it's not really them, it's the disease.  Give me a fucking break.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: I'm disgusted up to my ass with all this shit ...
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2006, 02:12:51 PM »
> Again, I think, and as you posted, the percentage of people who
> actually suffer from these supposed illnesses is infantesimally small.  > Most of them are just assholes who got caught being an asshole
> and are now crying about how it's not really them, it's the disease.  
> Give me a fucking break.

Oh, sorry to slow on the uptake. Yes, I agree with you, that those
that feign mental illness deprive those that are sick the respect and opportunity for help in able to recover.

Good point, thanks!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Antigen

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 12992
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
    • http://wwf.Fornits.com/
Borderline Personality Disorder
« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2006, 12:11:05 PM »
There's another class of mis-dx. What about external control? Someone who has no real pathology but who just consistenly resists control by said family and loved ones. That describes just about every kid ever placed in any of these scam programs.

Drug addiction worked pretty well as a cover all dx in the `70's and `80's, what with Nixon's war on drugs, the Summer of Manson and the Betty Ford Clinic and all that propaganda. We weren't addicts. We were just teenagers who's parents couldn't cut it. Now it's ODD; if a kid is at odds with their parent or other authority figures, why they must be disordered, right? Couldn't possibly be that the people in charge are being unreasonable, could it?

No, that would be messy and complicated and require some humility. It's just far, far easier to cloister oneself among sympathetic others and pathologize the victim.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Don\'t let the past remind us of what we are not now."
~ Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Sweet Judy Blue Eyes

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Borderline Personality Disorder
« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2006, 10:56:50 AM »
/// Couldn't possibly be that the people in charge are being unreasonable, could it? ///


It could be. It often is. A good family therapist can figure this out pretty quickly. In fact, in my experience, it is usually assumed to be something along those lines, and there is a lot of focus on the parents and what is going on in the home to create the problems.

But sometimes, and increasingly so, the child / teen is in fact suffering a true and diagnosable mental illness.

There is in fact such a massive surge in seriously ill teens and children that there is talk of a hidden epidemic. No one wants to acknowledge it b/c no one can explain it. But there is no doubt the numbers have exploded and the patients are truly ill.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Antigen

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 12992
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
    • http://wwf.Fornits.com/
Borderline Personality Disorder
« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2006, 03:34:05 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
There is in fact such a massive surge in seriously ill teens and children that there is talk of a hidden epidemic. No one wants to acknowledge it b/c no one can explain it. But there is no doubt the numbers have exploded and the patients are truly ill.


Not ill, just distressed.

Any little boy who acts like a little boy (or the way we used to expect little boys to behave) is now labeled ADD/ADHD or ODD or some such. That hurts! They're not furniture, they can hear and understand as their parents and other adults talk about them, even introduce them, as a problem. I've seen it again and again. First time I met one kid, his parents and good family friend told me, right off the bat, about his bed wetting problem.  :o I wanted to pimp slap all of them in a row Shemp style. Nother great kid who's dosed up on poten amphetamines most of the time these days. Same thing. If you meet her mother, before you hear anything about the kid's artistic abilities and genius at taking apart and putting together just about anything she finds, you'll hear that she's impossible, possibly autistic, troubled and troubling. I've never had a minute's trouble with this kid. But then I've never humiliated her by complaining to strangers about what a problem she is right in front of her.

How do you think that sort of treatment effects a person over years? You think maybe, possibly, all this pathologizing and labeling might have some effect on the subjects?

I think maybe, possibly, kids are coming into this world pretty much the same as they have for thousands of years and maybe, just possibly, there's something different about the way we treat and view them.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Don\'t let the past remind us of what we are not now."
~ Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Sweet Judy Blue Eyes

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Unknown
« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2006, 04:39:02 PM »
A portal showcasing http://gayporn.ichadult.com
gayporn so you can view godfthr's photos gayporn
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Unknown
« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2006, 12:51:29 AM »
Find the perfect dog  http://dog-breeders.vstaet.com
dog breeders Lists ads for thousands of dogs and cat
dog breeders
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: From Deborah's it is on the Internet it must be true fil
« Reply #56 on: October 30, 2006, 04:11:26 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
> Here's an interesting story that arrived in my mailbox today.
> despite the cocktail of dozens of anti-psychotic drugs she was on

Guiness world record holder for taking dozens of anti-psychotic of the 10 or so that are on the market. Kudos for creative story telling.

> I wanted to know what was in the stuff, so I took a look.
> http://www.truehope.com/_empowerplus/empIngredients.asp
> I didn't see any "drugs", just vits, mins, herbs.



Oh come on!!!  Ya know Deb, I'm on your side with most of the shit that gets spewed around here (no, tha's not saying that what you post is shit......you're the exception even when I disagree with you..... but......DAMN).    I think almost ALL the psych/pharma dxs are full of shit  MOST of them.  Here you seem to be picking out an instance that is arguably (sp?) an asshole for a Dr.   Not all psyche drugs are bad.  Most of them are for most of the people prescribed the shit, but you CANNOT deny that there is a certain percentage of the population (however small......and I mean SMALL) that is..that does require medication.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: From Deborah's it is on the Internet it must be true fil
« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2006, 04:33:58 AM »
Quote
Oh come on!!!  Ya know Deb, I'm on your side with most of the shit that gets spewed around here (no, tha's not saying that what you post is shit......you're the exception even when I disagree with you..... but......DAMN).    I think almost ALL the psych/pharma dxs are full of shit  MOST of them.  Here you seem to be picking out an instance that is arguably (sp?) an asshole for a Dr.   Not all psyche drugs are bad.  Most of them are for most of the people prescribed the shit, but you CANNOT deny that there is a certain percentage of the population (however small......and I mean SMALL) that is..that does require medication.


I may have posted in the wrong forum or thread......I can't tell and am in no mood to try and figure it out..  If so, apologies profuseley (sp?).........if not, well then, fuck you and everything stands.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: From Deborah's it is on the Internet it must be true fil
« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2011, 03:46:49 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote
but you CANNOT deny that there is a certain percentage of the population (however small......and I mean SMALL) that is..that does require medication.


The US peak of institutionalized psychiatric care was 560,000 patients.
Today it is about 56,000, and going down.

I don't know the total increase in jailed mentally ill since de-institutionalization, but it is in the news quite a bit these days.

Fifty years ago a family member could be ill, but at home a family secret, but that doesn't seem to be common these days.

So what if 25 million are taking psych drugs, if you don't need them, then leave the others alone. Frankly it is no one's business but the patient and their doctor. Perhaps the insurance company too. For children, it is the parents business also, of course.

But really, why bitch so much about meds if so many are working now?

Why care so obsessively on this meds or not topic?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anti-Troll

  • Posts: 73
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: From Deborah's it is on the Internet it must be true fil
« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2011, 09:18:04 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote
but you CANNOT deny that there is a certain percentage of the population (however small......and I mean SMALL) that is..that does require medication.

The US peak of institutionalized psychiatric care was 560,000 patients.
Today it is about 56,000, and going down.

I don't know the total increase in jailed mentally ill since de-institutionalization, but it is in the news quite a bit these days.

Fifty years ago a family member could be ill, but at home a family secret, but that doesn't seem to be common these days.

So what if 25 million are taking psych drugs, if you don't need them, then leave the others alone. Frankly it is no one's business but the patient and their doctor. Perhaps the insurance company too. For children, it is the parents business also, of course.

But really, why bitch so much about meds if so many are working now?

Why care so obsessively on this meds or not topic?

*Sponsored by N.A.M.I.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Because you are a TROLL"