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Offline Dr. Miller Newton

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« Reply #210 on: March 16, 2004, 12:17:00 PM »
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I suppose I'm just thrown by the idea that anyone seriously bought into the false imperative, Straight or death and misery, in the long term. That's just sad as hell.

It's not a fallacy. It's a reality that people who abandon the 7 Steps wind up DEAD, INSANE or IN JAIL. Now, you could argue that this wasn't true in EVERY case, sure, but it certainly proved to be the case often enough...  

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« Reply #211 on: March 16, 2004, 12:22:00 PM »
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I suppose I'm just thrown by the idea that anyone seriously bought into the false imperative, Straight or death and missery, in the long term. That's just sad as hell.


That false imperative is part and parcel of the Recovery Group Movement as a whole.  Stepcults spend a lot of time and effort drilling that idea into the heads of their new recruits, and Straight, Inc. was no exception.  I remember Steve Meade pulling me out of group for a one -on-one and he asked what I would do if I had a time machine and go go into my future--would I push the button that was marked "Death and Drugs" or the one marked "7 Stepped Straight and Happy".  That was and is the mindset of the Stepsters--there is only one alternative (well, three..) to the Stepcult-'jailsinstitutionsanddeath'.

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« Reply #212 on: March 16, 2004, 12:25:00 PM »
I feel disappointed about your lack of faith in the steps because they could save your life!

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« Reply #213 on: March 16, 2004, 05:07:00 PM »
Hi everyone.  I have been talking to some people and reading this site.  I've decided to registar. :wave:
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« Reply #214 on: March 16, 2004, 05:17:00 PM »
Who are you?
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« Reply #215 on: March 16, 2004, 06:41:00 PM »
Obviously he/she's a druggie or they wouldn't be here... :idea:

No talking out in group!  :lol:
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« Reply #216 on: March 16, 2004, 07:38:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-16 15:41:00, Dr Fucktard wrote:

"Obviously he/she's a druggie or they wouldn't be here... :wave:
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« Reply #217 on: March 16, 2004, 07:40:00 PM »
oops, the above was me.
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« Reply #218 on: March 16, 2004, 11:28:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-16 14:07:00, CesareV wrote:

"Hi everyone.  I have been talking to some people and reading this site.  I've decided to registar. :wave:  "

 
 Well, well, well...
Finally registered eh>? Cool....
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« Reply #219 on: March 17, 2004, 04:03:00 PM »
To reply to antigen's question as to if anyone has dropped a line or not. I have tried to stay in touch w/ no luck. I have left a name and number many times w/ no luck. I am sure her grandmother is not sure who I am for sure. I don't know why for sure she is in jail or when she will be getting out. I would love to hear from her. I don't blame straight for her situation as I have stated before. What I am saying is that just because the court order expired they didn't have to disown her. There should have been something in the way of a support system for those in that position. I would love to save her, I am not that strong, but I hate the thought that she doesn't know how I feel about her.
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« Reply #220 on: March 17, 2004, 05:19:00 PM »
I get that now. Sorry, I took it the wrong way. Still, I think it's sadder than sad that anyone in this time and place could view their options as limited to A) the Program or B) a fucked up family. There's a whole wide world out there. Granted, it's not all safe and wonderful. But you take your chances, try something. If it doesn't work out, you adjust your plan and try something else.

The law in its majestic equality, forbids all men to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread - the rich as well as the poor

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« Reply #221 on: March 17, 2004, 11:40:00 PM »
Hey
C.Cherry here.Caught on to this site recently.
Finally registerd.I'd like to here from anyone that I was in with. Catch me at [email protected]. Brad and Kelly sorry I've been extremly busy, will write you back soon.

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« Reply #222 on: March 18, 2004, 03:34:00 AM »
No problem man busy is good..

But do try to get in touch I need to talk to you..
  Opiod_Morphina is my yahoo IM name..Or better yet call...I think I put my number in that e mail..
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« Reply #223 on: March 18, 2004, 06:36:00 AM »
well, well.....im not suprised.....welcome anyways to the board from hell, btw, whaenever i think of straight, i cannot help but think of you and how intimidating you were...thanks..thanks for helping me become the person i am today....i am not afraid to speak my mind, because eveyone (especially people like you were then) will condem people in one form or another....thanks...you rule!!!!! oh, another way you inspired me was to walk out on straight...best move i ever made...thanks

lisa dallas 91' :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
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« Reply #224 on: March 18, 2004, 09:58:00 AM »
Would that be Chris Cherry???
Who is lisa 91????
This is Valorie Holt.....
As for your final comment Antigen... I don't think it is as simple as A. or B. I think it is more of what you know of don't know. Good, bad or indifferent, Straight showed some of us that our lives were spiraling out of control. When you are surrounded by drug addicts and you like drugs the consequences of your actions don't seem so real. EVERYONE is doing it. No one is around to show you the alternative. I just feel that in Kims situation she was miles away from any rational living creatures. All she had was crowds of drug addicts that made her feel a part of something, anything. As humans we are not created to exist alone, it is against nature for us to be alone and unfortunately for her she was left to be a part of the drug addicts because Straight did not provide a haven of support or friends for her to turn to or depend on. Her ONLY choice was given to her when they booted her out. I realize that we all have a knowledge of right and wrong, but if no one is there to push you in the right direction than you usually go in the one you know best. Does any of that make sense? It's like the path we are used to has such high walls on either side that to get off that path there must be someone on top to help or offer assistance of some kind. Does anyone pick up what I am puttin' down????
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