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Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern." The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information. This is a very significant development.
The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp
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Thanks for informing everyone about this website. I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.
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Please help. I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution. Can you cut and paste here? All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident. Please help. I need to be cautioned.
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Yes, I see that it's true. This organization reviews information about schools and programs and determines whether there's enough evidence to conclude that the complaints are credible. I just looked at ISAC's website. They have a "watch list" with schools and programs around the U.S. where there have been major problems. Hyde School is now on that list.
Here is where you will find the information: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp
ISAC says on its website that "ISAC is a unique watchdog organization, focused on exposing abuse, civil rights violations and fraud perpetuated through privately-owned facilities for juveniles."
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern." The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information. This is a very significant development.
The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp
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Thanks for informing everyone about this website. I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.
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Please help. I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution. Can you cut and paste here? All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident. Please help. I need to be cautioned.
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I looked at these docs and they are of great concern to me. I find the letter from Joe Gauld the most frightening as it indicates that he runs the school like a cult. The interpretation of the letter is, leave your kids to us to raise and don't question us. Wow.....very scary
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern." The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information. This is a very significant development.
The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp
--- End quote ---
Thanks for informing everyone about this website. I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.
--- End quote ---
Please help. I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution. Can you cut and paste here? All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident. Please help. I need to be cautioned.
--- End quote ---
I looked at these docs and they are of great concern to me. I find the letter from Joe Gauld the most frightening as it indicates that he runs the school like a cult. The interpretation of the letter is, leave your kids to us to raise and don't question us. Wow.....very scary
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What are the indications that he runs the schol like a cult? What indication is there that the posting of said documents on the site means that hyde is a " harmful school(s)" I do not see any such claim on the site that the list is a "widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs" I am open minded. Please show and explain to me.
Thanks
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern." The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information. This is a very significant development.
The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp
--- End quote ---
Thanks for informing everyone about this website. I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.
--- End quote ---
Please help. I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution. Can you cut and paste here? All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident. Please help. I need to be cautioned.
--- End quote ---
I looked at these docs and they are of great concern to me. I find the letter from Joe Gauld the most frightening as it indicates that he runs the school like a cult. The interpretation of the letter is, leave your kids to us to raise and don't question us. Wow.....very scary
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What are the indications that he runs the schol like a cult? What indication is there that the posting of said documents on the site means that hyde is a " harmful school(s)" I do not see any such claim on the site that the list is a "widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs" I am open minded. Please show and explain to me.
Thanks
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Regarding the cult qualities, did you read the Traub article posted on this website? I think it's pretty damning and persuasive; although Hyde may have some redeeming qualities, Traub documents lots of problems that should raise eyebrows.. Regarding the "widely publicized list," this ISAC website is cited a great deal on the internet. I think it's fair to say this list is widely publicized. Regarding abusive and harmful schools, read the criteria that this website's sponors use to judge whether a school or program is harmful and/or abusive. You can decide for yourself whether the criteria and list are reasonable and fair. I've taken a good look at this material and believe the sponsors are generally very careful and thorough. My impression is that the sponsors reviewed lots of material about Hyde and concluded that there's sufficient evidence of problems there for the school to be put on this list. They seem to limit their list to schools and programs that have had very serious problems. You may disagree, which is your right, of course. For me, based on my experience at Hyde, what I've heard from other Hyde families during the past few years, and my review of the material on this website, I'd say the website sponsors reached a fair conclusion. If you disagree, please challenge their conclusion. It's fair to debate these issues.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern." The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information. This is a very significant development.
The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp
--- End quote ---
Thanks for informing everyone about this website. I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.
--- End quote ---
Please help. I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution. Can you cut and paste here? All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident. Please help. I need to be cautioned.
--- End quote ---
I looked at these docs and they are of great concern to me. I find the letter from Joe Gauld the most frightening as it indicates that he runs the school like a cult. The interpretation of the letter is, leave your kids to us to raise and don't question us. Wow.....very scary
--- End quote ---
What are the indications that he runs the schol like a cult? What indication is there that the posting of said documents on the site means that hyde is a " harmful school(s)" I do not see any such claim on the site that the list is a "widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs" I am open minded. Please show and explain to me.
Thanks
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Regarding the cult qualities, did you read the Traub article posted on this website? I think it's pretty damning and persuasive; although Hyde may have some redeeming qualities, Traub documents lots of problems that should raise eyebrows.. Regarding the "widely publicized list," this ISAC website is cited a great deal on the internet. I think it's fair to say this list is widely publicized. Regarding abusive and harmful schools, read the criteria that this website's sponors use to judge whether a school or program is harmful and/or abusive. You can decide for yourself whether the criteria and list are reasonable and fair. I've taken a good look at this material and believe the sponsors are generally very careful and thorough. My impression is that the sponsors reviewed lots of material about Hyde and concluded that there's sufficient evidence of problems there for the school to be put on this list. They seem to limit their list to schools and programs that have had very serious problems. You may disagree, which is your right, of course. For me, based on my experience at Hyde, what I've heard from other Hyde families during the past few years, and my review of the material on this website, I'd say the website sponsors reached a fair conclusion. If you disagree, please challenge their conclusion. It's fair to debate these issues.
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You site Joes letter to orignally claim cult - hood for hyde, then in your most recent post refer to the Traub article. Also you avoid backing your claim that being on a list on the watchdog site means the operators of the site have labeled the listed as abusive or harmful.
so back to the my two questions:
what in the Joe letter ....
where does it state on the site that listing is tantamount to being harmful and abusive?
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