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my expierience
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---The Phillips Schools and St. Paul's don't have admission teas because the kids and families are waiting in line to attend. Do you think if they drop out of one of those schools they will be refunded their tuition...NO WAY! Many prep schools make their students sign a contract upon entering their school as a Freshman stating that they will attend that school until graduation. If you pull out before, you're responsible for the tuition through their senior year whether you're there or not.
Hyde holds Teas to educate and offer options to students and families who have no where to turn. Tuition is not refunded only in some circumstances, where families pull out for no reason. They've signed a contract that lays all that out. If a student can't cut it or is a distraction to the rest of the school, they'll get their money back on a pro-rated basis. The people on this site bitching about the lack of tuition refund are those who left because they didn't want to do the work. Hyde is a school and a program. It's not a traditional prep school and dosen't claim to be and it's not a therapy school and doesn't claim to be. It's a little of both for kids and families who aren't too "off track".
I guarantee that the "Tri-State" whiney, baby-boomer attitude is behind many of the complaints you read about on fornits. Incluing Ass-Kow's passive aggressive rants and offers.
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Now this is too funny NOT to respond to!! First of all Mr Trash Mouth, Hyde does NOT REFUND TUITION when they kick you out! They don't refund a dime and in fact I know several people who have had to hire an attorney to get it back!! I am not sure where you get this insane information, but Hyde is known for kicking people out and keeping their $$$$.
You are right. Hyde is not a therapy school or a prep school. Hyde's schooling actually a joke. If you read all the posts the kids write on Myspace you will see how the graduates of Hyde can't spell or write. They also talk about how they didn't get an education at Hyde!
As far as Hyde being for families who aren't "too off track", this is what made me laugh out loud. Whoever you are, please, please, don't insult anyone's intelligence!! If Hyde is for people who aren't "too off track" then why do they accept completely messed up kids who usually have drug and alcohol problems as well as bulimia, ADHD, etc. Hyde is not properly able to deal with this which is why so many families leave!!
You Mr Guest is the one who is completely off track for writing this post which is not even close to the truth
Ursus:
May God help you should you ever experience even one tiny inkling of the trauma and hell many of the former students and parents here have been through because of Hyde. Clearly this has not been your lot. Hopefully someday you will learn to temper some of your dogmatic arrogance with empathy, as such a glaring deficiency is usually associated with an atavistic and undeveloped character. A mindset, I might add, most assuredly in keeping with the institution you claim to defend.
I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised that you should focus on one select issue, namely that of tuition refund, in lieu of addressing the larger issue, namely that of Hyde's coercive and mind-fucking methods and the damage these wreak on adolescents and their families. The tuition issue only adds fuel to the fire and serves as a tangible and quantifiable barometer of Hyde's hypocrisy and failure to live up to its promises.
--- Quote from: ""guest"" ---Hyde holds Teas to educate and offer options to students and families who have no where to turn.
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Many families, in the process of entertaining several options, leave these teas believing that they have no where else to turn but to Hyde.
--- Quote ---Tuition is not refunded only in some circumstances, where families pull out for no reason. They've signed a contract that lays all that out. If a student can't cut it or is a distraction to the rest of the school, they'll get their money back on a pro-rated basis.
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This is the most unbelievably stinky pile of bullshit you people have posted here in some time. Total LIE. And what, do tell, exactly qualifies as being "a distraction to the rest of the school?" And who makes that assessment?
--- Quote ---The people on this site bitching about the lack of tuition refund are those who left because they didn't want to do the work.
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Another stinky LIE. Who's whining here?
--- Quote ---Hyde is a school and a program. It's not a traditional prep school and dosen't claim to be and it's not a therapy school and doesn't claim to be. It's a little of both for kids and families who aren't too "off track".
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GEEEEZZ LOUISE!! Somebody didn't bone up on their deductive reasoning skills! You can't say something isn't something and yet at the same time is something in the same paragraph and expect people to take you seriously. Oh wait, this must be Hyde's new marketing plan, this way parents won't really know what to sue Hyde for!
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---The Phillips Schools and St. Paul's don't have admission teas because the kids and families are waiting in line to attend. Do you think if they drop out of one of those schools they will be refunded their tuition...NO WAY! Many prep schools make their students sign a contract upon entering their school as a Freshman stating that they will attend that school until graduation. If you pull out before, you're responsible for the tuition through their senior year whether you're there or not.
Hyde holds Teas to educate and offer options to students and families who have no where to turn. Tuition is not refunded only in some circumstances, where families pull out for no reason. They've signed a contract that lays all that out. If a student can't cut it or is a distraction to the rest of the school, they'll get their money back on a pro-rated basis. The people on this site bitching about the lack of tuition refund are those who left because they didn't want to do the work. Hyde is a school and a program. It's not a traditional prep school and dosen't claim to be and it's not a therapy school and doesn't claim to be. It's a little of both for kids and families who aren't too "off track".
I guarantee that the "Tri-State" whiney, baby-boomer attitude is behind many of the complaints you read about on fornits. Incluing Ass-Kow's passive aggressive rants and offers.
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When I was looking at Phillip Andover, there was no mention of such a contract. Tri-State is NJ NY Conn ?
It bothers you that people are saying bad things about your school. I think I have vented my spleen on the subject pretty much. I was bothered at first about the things I read here about Hyde. I wanted my experience to mean something. I wanted the time that I spent there to mean something. It still does. But it is better to look at the truth. The truth is Hyde is just something that Joe and and a bunch of guys made up. They pulled it out of their collective ass and made it up as they went along. Eye of newt and toe of frog. What ever was lying around the kitchen. They hit on some things that worked by trial and error. Part of what makes it work it the fact that once you get through it you want it to mean something so you say it does. Otherwise it is a reflection on you. You wasted your time. In a way it is like the Ramtha rap: It is because we imagine it to be. There's a Spooky Tooth. The fact that there are elements that are cultic is no accident. It was either by design or trial and error. The notion that if you fail you are "off track" has been the mantra from back in the day. I call it blame the victims. Hyde says "it works" if it does not then it is your fault. Imagine a seat belt that helped you in a car crash only if you believe, if it fails it is your fault. Not a good seat belt. Why do you accept it from Hyde? Why doesn't the community stand up and say "it is not acceptable that Hyde fails these students?" Why do you identify with your keepers rather then your peers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
Deal with it. You identify with the power holder not because you have character. It is actually the converse. It is because you are weak. The ones that are strong are the ones that resist.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Hyde has been in the business of delivering a product "Character Education" for forty years. In all those years their has never never never been any attempt to quantify the result. Establish a metric, a set of metrics and track graduates through their adulthood. There is nothing to substantiate any of their claims except anecdotal evidence in the form of graduate/parent testimonials. These are no more believable then the testimony of shills at a medicine show.
Why has this not been done?
1) they are too stupid or lazy
2) they really _are_ that venal and it is all about the money
Pick one
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I think you're right. Hyde's data and evidence are very thin indeed. They offer lots of anecdotal claims about their successes but few hard numbers. Here are the questions Hyde should be confronted with and expected to answer:
1. What percentage of students who apply to Hyde are accepted?
2. How many students enroll in each grade, 9 through 12?
3. What percentage of students who enroll in 9th grade actually graduate from Hyde? 10th grade? 11th grade? 12th grade? That is, what percentage of students leave Hyde without graduating?
4. What percentage of Hyde graduates (a) enroll in college, and (b) graduate from college? How do these percentages compare with national figures?
5. When Hyde publicizes parent satisfaction data, who do they include in the sample? Do they include parents who enrolled at Hyde but left, or only those who lasted through graduation (who, obviously, are the people most likely to be satisfied with Hyde)? Does Hyde stack the deck by including only those who stay at Hyde until the end, or do they include everyone who enrolled? How honest is Hyde about the data they report?
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Billy: I notice that you haven't responded to this request for information. Have you shared these questions with Hyde staff? Have you received a response?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---When I was looking at Phillip Andover, there was no mention of such a contract. Tri-State is NJ NY Conn ?
It bothers you that people are saying bad things about your school. I think I have vented my spleen on the subject pretty much. I was bothered at first about the things I read here about Hyde. I wanted my experience to mean something. I wanted the time that I spent there to mean something. It still does. But it is better to look at the truth. The truth is Hyde is just something that Joe and and a bunch of guys made up. They pulled it out of their collective ass and made it up as they went along. Eye of newt and toe of frog. What ever was lying around the kitchen. They hit on some things that worked by trial and error. Part of what makes it work it the fact that once you get through it you want it to mean something so you say it does. Otherwise it is a reflection on you. You wasted your time. In a way it is like the Ramtha rap: It is because we imagine it to be. There's a Spooky Tooth. The fact that there are elements that are cultic is no accident. It was either by design or trial and error. The notion that if you fail you are "off track" has been the mantra from back in the day. I call it blame the victims. Hyde says "it works" if it does not then it is your fault. Imagine a seat belt that helped you in a car crash only if you believe, if it fails it is your fault. Not a good seat belt. Why do you accept it from Hyde? Why doesn't the community stand up and say "it is not acceptable that Hyde fails these students?" Why do you identify with your keepers rather then your peers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
Deal with it. You identify with the power holder not because you have character. It is actually the converse. It is because you are weak. The ones that are strong are the ones that resist.
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I buy these statements completely. I sang Hyde's praises when I heard it put down --- this despite the fact that I had always had strong reservations about the place. I didn't "fight the good fight" because I was brainwashed; I did it because my ego was on the line. I didn't want to admit that I was from a "bad school," that I made a stupid investment, that I did things that cut against the grain of my conscience.
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