Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
i'm an incoming senior....to parents interested
Anonymous:
[laura gauld said "bill...i heard you're fighting the good fight on the fornits website." she probably heard from warnick, who i was talking to about my frustrations about some of the posters onthe site.[/quote]
Good for you. I'm pleased for you and applaud your good story.
But I know for a fact that there are lots of very bad stories that come out of Hyde. I've lost count of the number of Hyde students who have left or gotten booted out, had a hard time in college and dropped out, relapsed, etc. Granted, sometimes this was the result of the students' bad behavior and, as Hyde likes to say, attitude.. But I know a bunch of kids who started at Hyde with real serious problems (emotional and drug) that were completely mishandled by Hyde. Hyde is like a dinosaur compared to other schools I know that take the same kind of kid. I'm glad it has worked for you. Unfortunately that doesn't make up for the large number of Hyde disasters. And, believe me, Hyde has lots of disasters it needs to account for.[/quote]
So, Laura Gauld and somebody named Warnick are concerned about this web site. I guess we now have their attention. I wonder if any of the widespread criticism of Hyde concerns them? It ought to. I can't imagine Hyde ever expected this public relations nightmare. Is there any chance Hyde will take a hard look at itself as a result?
Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""guest"" ---So, Laura Gauld and somebody named Warnick are concerned about this web site. I guess we now have their attention. I wonder if any of the widespread criticism of Hyde concerns them? It ought to. I can't imagine Hyde ever expected this public relations nightmare. Is there any chance Hyde will take a hard look at itself as a result?
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I most seriously doubt it. Historically, the way repressive institutions and regimes have usually dealt with the discontent from the rabble-rousing indigents has been through a policy of benign neglect. Hyde is no different. They believe that people will spill their guts until they get it out of their system and are too depleted of emotional energy to continue.
My impression from going back through the threads is that it would appear most people come here and usually vent for about 100 posts or so, if they are truly outraged enough, and then go on with their lives, occasionally returning from time to time. Very few people stick around for much longer than a year. Although this would appear to comport with Hyde's preferred stance, it also does speak volumes, literally, of the number of people unhappy, not too mention traumatized, by Hyde's treatment of them or their children.
Anonymous:
hyde faculty and administrators have been knowing. they don't really care much, honestly. i think they should care a little though. and look through. not to see the bad publicity and worry about it. trust me, they're not worried. and nothing you say will. because many of you(not all, but looking through other threads, i see a trend)there are many disrespectful and immature posts that wouldn't bother anyone. but there are some legit pieces of feedback some could get from this.
yes, there are PLENTY of inappropriate stories from hyde. along with many other schools, many of which have a forum on fornits. ask people what goes on at Swift River or the Family Foundation school. worse worse things happen there more often. like i said in the last post, grossly mishandled situations have decreased tremendously this year. the other 3 years i've been here, there were many bad situations handled badly by parents, students, and faculty. hyde admins and people know about the situations. they work on some, and sweep others under the rug. no school does it right, unfortunately.
today during Senior Evals, which we've kind of started, LG brought up how she didn't know what kind of graduate each of us would be. and that she's spoken with graduates and students who have left hyde. some were bad convos, some great. but she will talk to you. she's not mccraan. but it's hard to take seriously those that bash hyde on the internet under anonymous names because they are not proud of what they say here. i've heard people say on here "you don't want others to be able to find what you say on here" well then don't post it. be proud of what you say. raise your hand high or not at all. raise it like you're proud of it. and if you're not, don't say it.
and as for something on another thread about hyde only posting the good things about themselves in terms of parent surveys and what not...what school, company, etc. posts negative comments about themselves as publicity? (except the movie "Jackass"). honestly, expect something realistic please.
and as i say now, i've said before, and many times...it's different this year. please be a little more open.
- Bill(y) Procida '07 NYU '11
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""bill(y) procida"" ---it's hard to take seriously those that bash hyde on the internet under anonymous names because they are not proud of what they say here. i've heard people say on here "you don't want others to be able to find what you say on here" well then don't post it. be proud of what you say. raise your hand high or not at all. raise it like you're proud of it. and if you're not, don't say it.
- Bill(y) Procida '07 NYU '11
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Employers are now googling candidates. Nobody wants their name to come up in connection with a place like Hyde. I posted quite a bit about a year ago and pretty much got everything off my chest that I wanted to. I had no desire to engage anyone at Hyde in any sort of dialogue - although that did, to an extent, occur. Frankly, I couldn't care less what Hyde thinks at this point. And I don't care whether they're concerned about the negative publicity or not. The anonymity of the internet is a wonderful thing when writing about the traumatic experiences of the past.
It may be hard for you to take seriously any Hyde bashing that doesn't include someone's actual name, but rest assured, people do. Too much of it obviously comes from the heart and most people do understand why people don't put their real name on internet boards. If you're not willing to give it any credence, well, that's not our problem and I hate to break it you, but no one gives a shit. We played by Hyde's rules when they controlled the dialogue. Now they have to live with discussions in forums where they can't control things. Maybe it concerns them, maybe it doesn't (I have it on good authority they they are indeed quite concerned). But that's the way it goes.
Best of luck to you, NYU's a great school!
Ursus:
Hi Billy, sorry I wasn't able to address your post more specifically earlier, but something came up... Congratulations on getting into NYU! :tup: I'm sure you will have a lot of fun and your world will surely open up immensely being in NYC. I used to work a bit north of the main campus, a block from Union Square, as well just west in the Village, on 11th and 4th. I have many fond memories of that time...
--- Quote from: ""bill(y) pro"" ---i am someone who has finally come up with his own principles and has altered the tools(the words, principles, philosophies of hyde) hyde as given me into what i personally believe. not all of it corresponds with hyde. and that's okay. i feel i take a pretty objective view.
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I have concerns about your post which stem from your focus on relatively petty issues as being proof or at least indication of your ability to see things more objectively... Issues such as Laura Gauld's "kill{ing} halloween, {not being} big on letting us chest paint at basketball games, and no{t allowing} limos at prom this year" are hardly elements at the core of Hyde's so-called "philosophy." My disappointment is along the same lines as Mike's, when you responded to his question regarding elements of policy and personal thoughts relevant to "Brother's Keeper," i.e., peers passing judgment on and meting out punishment on each other.
You claim that you don't agree with everything, that you pick and choose as you see fit as per what sits right with you, but by and large, it really looks like you've swallowed the whole spiel, kit-and-kaboodle, hook, line, and sinker. This is why Laura Gauld is so proud of you, why she tells you, "bill...i heard you're fighting the good fight on the fornits website." She understands full well the reason you are here, which you put so eloquently as "to educate and inform." You really are, as far as Hyde is concerned, "hyde's foot soldier."
And with regard to Hyde's having changed tremendously this past year: I am sure that they have made improvements, some of which you enumerated, but again, my same comment as earlier... I find you are focusing unduly on minor details as the basis for your proof. Putting an additional spot here and there does not change the leopard's overall pattern.
--- Quote from: ""bill(y) pro"" ---trying to find time for it, i've read about a page and a half to 2 pages of gary eskow's paper. i'm working on it.
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Good show, Billy! Your efforts are appreciated. Do peruse the threads here a bit as well, you might find it enlightening, and you might also find some more material to continue "fighting the good fight on the fornits website." Kind regards, Urs :em:
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