Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > PURE Bullshit and CAICA
SUE SCHEFF and ISABELLE ZENDHER (PURE, CAICA, WWASP lawsuit)
CCM girl 1989:
--- Quote from: ""CCM girl Counter"" ---You totally missed the point CCM girl. Scheff and P.U.R.E. are the mini version of Robert Lichfield and WWASP or his marketing agents. Remember Sue was one Bob's top marketers. There have been other P.U.R.E. programs with abuse charges and Sheff contues to refer. Sue scheff and P.U.R.E. have done nothing but confuse and use parents while pretening to understand and help.
You are naive.
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I may be naive........I don't claim to know it all. I will continue to learn, and investigate with the time that I have to spend on it. I have only been around fornits for a year, I don't know all the players.
Anyway, I was in two programs.........one which wasn't a WWASP school called Heritage in Provo Utah from 1-86 until 5-89 then a WWASP school by the name of Cross Creek Manor located in La Verkin, Utah from 5-89 until 2-90. If you have any questions about either of these programs feel free to contact me.
I'm just going to leave it at that!
Anonymous:
CCM Girl, rather than spending all this time trying to figure out the players on Fornits, why not get proactive in trying to make a difference. I don't mean that in any bad way, but there is so much that can be done with the precious little time we all have. You can write letters to legislators, Try speaking to groups in your area, educate as many people as you can, let parents know the danger of sending their kids away. Spending so much time on Fornits, frankly, can?t be mentally healthy for anyone. I know it?s not for me and I come here to look for news, etc., that?s it. Getting involved with the handful of people who spend most of their time hurting others, just doesn?t seem productive to me. Just a thought.
I ony address this to you, CCM girl, because you make sense and seem very bright. I think you have the ability to make a difference. Please, remember there are two sides to every story and you will hear only one side here on Fornits.
Nihilanthic:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---CCM Girl, rather than spending all this time trying to figure out the players on Fornits, why not get proactive in trying to make a difference. I don't mean that in any bad way, but there is so much that can be done with the precious little time we all have. You can write letters to legislators, Try speaking to groups in your area, educate as many people as you can, let parents know the danger of sending their kids away. Spending so much time on Fornits, frankly, can?t be mentally healthy for anyone. I know it?s not for me and I come here to look for news, etc., that?s it. Getting involved with the handful of people who spend most of their time hurting others, just doesn?t seem productive to me. Just a thought.
I ony address this to you, CCM girl, because you make sense and seem very bright. I think you have the ability to make a difference. Please, remember there are two sides to every story and you will hear only one side here on Fornits.
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Youre trying to make it seem like what Sue is doing is somehow acceptable. Its not a case of "oh just ignore her or hear her side of the story bla bla bla", its a case of shes hijacking credibility from our actions to make a buck sending kids to the programs shes picked for whatever reason to send them to, for the kickback money they give her... and hide from us what programs they are!
Shes doing the EXACT same thing WWASPS does iwth its programs, except her entire thing is "well, wwasps is bad, and we're gonna fight that abuse.. but Ill find GOOD PROGRAMS!!! GIMME UR KID" in a nutshell.
However, this does nothing to address program abuse, the lack of oversight, the lack of any way for a kid in a program to escape if they are abused or tell anyone they ARE being abused, this doesnt make programs operate cleanly, safely, and nonabusively, this doesnt make them actually treat anything, and it doesnt do anything about kids with nothing wrong being thrown away in programs without any rights to not be locked up if nothing is wrong with them!
That is not tolerable. This isnt whack a mole, and whack WWASPS first... this is a case of shes doing the same thing as WWASPS, just pointing a finger at them and saying shes not doing it, yet she is! If it was ONLY Sue and her programs, that would still be a bad thing, and Ive said why in the previous paragraph.
Troubled Turd:
Well said, Niles.
Anonymous:
Kids don't deserve no goddamn rights, cuz they ain't no better than a bunch of fuckin NIGGERS! If mine ever try to "assert their rights" I'm gonna drag 'em out to the woodshed and tear up their uppity little asses!
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