Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > PURE Bullshit and CAICA
SUE SCHEFF and ISABELLE ZENDHER (PURE, CAICA, WWASP lawsuit)
Dr Phil:
she needs wwasps and similar programs to exist. she is making her living off of the fear parents have of sending their kid to abusive programs, then hypocritically sending them off to almost identical programs. it seems no different than wwasps using parents fear of 'deadorinjail'... except she has two selling points.. the whole 'deadorjail', the 'entitlment' and other issue bullshit AND the fear of picking the wrong program. pretty ingenious setup she has there if you ask me. seriously though, websters should take a screen shot of the pure website and put it under their definition for hypocrisy.
Dr Phil:
from pure website
--- Quote ---Teen Suicide is very real. Some at risk teens feel so hopeless.
Most do not actually complete suicide, however certainly have very strong thoughts and feelings about it. This needs to be addressed immediately. There can be so many factors leading up to this. School peers (teen peer pressure) can be brutal without even knowing it.
A person can say something innocent and the teen takes it completely out of context. The feeling of rejection, either by a boyfriend/girlfriend or their own peers can be devastating to a teen. The teen most likely, lacks the self- esteem and confidence to realize they are special and important. When this happens the teen can experience feelings of depression and can lead to becoming a struggling teen.
Sometimes we have seen a family going through some very difficult times, and the child actually takes on the blame and the guilt. This can be so overwhelming to a child and they feel at a loss. If you suspect your child is suicidal, please get help immediately. They may need a residential program, again one that offers positive peer culture and can offer the help they need. They need to build up their character to a higher sense of self worth. Teen Suicide thoughts are to be taken extremely seriously.
--- End quote ---
just couldn't leave that bold part out could they? they take probably the most serious issue a parent can deal with, a child killing themsleves, and completely trivialize it and use it to sell their service for profit. so does pure really believe if a kid is talking about suicide you should contact them and have them refer the kid to a program? really? have they talked to psychologists about this theory, are any of them educated in dealing with teenagers who are at risk of killing themsleves? its not a joke, suicide is a leading cause of death for teenagers, so you think they would take this little more seriously. instead of saying seek help immediately at your local hospital or care provider they put in their slickster backward speak again. im blown away by the callousness and overall disregard for the health of kids by shit like this. its already bad enough to convince parents with kids who have no big problems to send their kid away, but its a whole new level of evil when you are siphoning off kids with seriously life threatening problems from legitimate treatment options to have them wharehoused in a completely innapropriate environment. how can they seriously sell the same solution for two problems as diverse as 'Entitlement Issues' (spoiled by parents) and a teen talking about killing themselves... i don't know how one could reconcile this within their own soul... i for one would not be able to sleep at night giving paid advice to suicidal kids parents with absolutely no training and experience, but thats just me.
CCM girl 1989:
--- Quote from: ""Niles"" ---CCM, I have just a few questions for you. And no, Im not attacking you.
* What defines a good program?
* How can a program be 'good', but still be... a program?
* How do you justify lock-in forced 'treatment' if nothing if they dont justify for in-patient treatment in a psychiatric hospital morally, and ethically?
* How can you ethically force treatment on a kid and make it effective?
* How do you defend the fact that not one program has ever proven its efficacy and that all programs we've seen here boil down to nothing more than isolation and coersion with the intent of creating a regression and a euphoric feeling after the regression so they're easier to indoctrinate, aka "brainwash", dont provide therapy, dont provide any lasting 'fixes', and leave them more messed up than they went in.
Or, gimme the cliffs notes on how a program can still be a program but not abuse them, not lock them up, not isolate them from family and friends and legal representation, and not fuck them up socially and hurt them deeply psycholgoically, but still actually be effective at all... especially when you cant FORCE therapy on anyone, programs only 'work' by breaking them down, and the medical profession has committed itself to "minimal control and discomfort" in treatment - if theyre not a danger to themselves or others, they're not locked up, basically.
You cant MAKE a kid change without resorting to mind control, so what are you saying, that there are some forms of coersion that are ok, and some that are not?
This isnt intended to be an attack or affront at you, just asking you to think about what you say and try to come to terms with the facts about what makes a "program" a "program" and not a "school for kids with problems and/or bad parents who want to ditch them".
--- End quote ---
A good program starts at the top with the people who create it, they need to be of healthy mind and spirit. A good program has good people working for it some who have degrees in psychology, others who might not but atleast provide adequate training in how to handle teens that have issues. These schools cannot be overcrowded, 4 kids per room. They need to have rules, boundries, and limitations set in place, but reasonable ones so it's not a constant form of being able to punish them. With all the money they receive for housing these kids, there should be ammenities such as swimming, an athletic field, and some type of activity that includes animals. Every kid is different, but there needs to be things that stimulate their minds, body, and souls. Therapy is always good. You'll find that most kids want to talk about there feelings. I maybe only saw a couple times where kids actually refused therapy. Hey, they should have that option, and therapy shouldn't be forced. With kids, you need to be patience.
Programs don't need to be toughlove to be effective. These kids don't need to be pushed around, and told what to do. Sorry, I know there are some parents out there that failed as parents, but is it your kids fault? No, it's not. Programs should be built out of love not hate. Kids should be encouraged by being healthy they will get further in life. You don't need to program a kid, and cram it down their throat, for them to get it. You show them how to succeed in life, and give them the tools to do it, if they choose not to take those tools fine, but later on down the rode they might. If you force kids you will get some who may take the tools, but most will either pretend to take them, or out of pure rebellious behaivor throw them in your face. You have to remember that teens are mini-adults. Do you like things being crammed down your throat? I sure the hell don't, and I doubt those of you reading this do either. Well, it's kinda like that. If somebody points something out to me that I am not doing right, or they have a better more efficent way of doing it, I will take the time to listen to them, and think about what they had to say, and perhaps change my ways. But, if somebody tries to force me to do it their way, and tells me how I was doing it all wrong blah, blah, blah.......I'm going to be like screw you buddy!!!!
As far as lockdown treatment is concerned, there needs to be valid reasons for doing this. I wouldn't be able to justify programs that force treatment upon kids.
You can not ethically force treatment on anyone, and why would you want to? It takes the credit out of the kids hands for being able to finally see themselves going down the wrong path of life and deciding to do something about it on their own, and puts credit into somebody elses hands whether it be the parents, the therapists, or program directors/owners.
The programs we focus on here at Fornits have very little efficiency because of how screwed up they are in their structure. That's why we talk about them. There are good programs out there. But, it's not any of the ones mentioned here. I don't have anything to do with Fornits, besides posting here. But, look at it like a small parking lot with reserved spaces for programs who like to intimidate, brainwash, punish, abuse, falsley represent themselves, lie to parents, lie to kids, have hidden agendas, force their religious beliefs on children, practice cult like techniques for mind control and reprogramming. Look, I could go on forever and forever.
I'm running out of steam here. I don't know what you want from me? I hope I have answered most of your questions. Excuse me while I go grab some coffee.
Anonymous:
I've been reading these posts for some time on Sue Scheff and I have something to say. I believe I even spoke with her once about two years ago in researching a story. I've read her website and that of her competitors.
Look here, Loves. It's quite clear that Ms. Scheff is not qualified to refer parents to a dog kennel nor are her competitors.
Scheff has given herself a bit of a reputation in the U.S. among advocates. Is that not correct?
It's also quite clear that she does absolutely take the parents' money, but indirectly. She has the parents pay the extra money to the program and she and the program funnel it back to the old girl. This is not complicated. It's like a bit of money laundering, that's all. Quite witty for a person with no education.
Scheff says she is "parents helping parents" but it's rather obvious that she is the only one and a partner or two. You'd think this PURE was a group of parents who had kids in the programs, but they are just like every other parents. The point is this PURE and its founder, Scheff, are not exactly truthful blogs now are they?
Anonymous:
Try finding out about Jane Hawley - she makes $50k a month, I've heard, referring kids to abusive WWASPS programs. Tons of parents do it as well, the form support groups and lurk around wherever they can find parents complaining about their teens. And then they tell them about this wonderful program that will "fix" their kids. Only WWASPS - well -
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