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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2006, 12:57:53 PM »
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but I believe in fighting on several fronts at once.  I'm with ya.

Yeah, more power to you... We don't want to spread ourselves too thin though.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2006, 01:00:18 PM »
In other words why not go for the throat..
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2006, 01:01:09 PM »
That's a tall order.  You've got to change the minds of M/M Joe Blow Middle America.  That's why I'm so encouraged by LEAP and enjoy just talking to people about it.   You'd be surprised how many people, when you lay out the facts and get them to follow a clear line of logic start to understand.  They've been washed all these years too, in a sense.  They've been bombarded with all the propoganda and it's gotten so much into the mainstream with AA and 12 Step crap being pushed in all of the 30 day and outpatient centers.  Just look at any of the teen help sites and their insane 'warning signs'.  Virtually every single teen in the country is at risk according to those people.
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2006, 01:11:56 PM »
Indeed the LEAP effort could succeed in doing it.. They challenge the evil at its very core.. {old green grin}
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2006, 01:13:12 PM »
Anyway...even if we could put an end to the war on drugs and close every single fucked-up program it wouldn't change the social dynamic that causes one group of people to oppress another.   It would only be a matter of time before the dynamic changed form.  As long as there is government there will be injustice and oppression.  A wall in the local park here, where I like to ride my mountain bike down over the rocks is spray-painted with the words: "One persons security is anothers oppression"  next to the words is the circled Anarchy "A".  I couldn't agree more.  Hence my sig:
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If you would have justice in this world, then begin to see that a human being is not a means to some end.  People are not commodities.  When human beings are just to one another government becomes obsolete and real freedom is born; SPIRITUAL ANARCHY.

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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2006, 01:13:14 PM »
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They challenge the evil at its very core.. {old green grin}


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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2006, 01:14:07 PM »
It's about decriminalization, period.
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2006, 01:18:50 PM »
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Anyway...even if we could put an end to the war on drugs and close every single fucked-up program it wouldn't change the social dynamic that causes one group of people to oppress another.   It would only be a matter of time before the dynamic changed form.  As long as there is government there will be injustice and oppression.  A wall in the local park here, where I like to ride my mountain bike down over the rocks is spray-painted with the words: "One persons security is anothers oppression"  next to the words is the circled Anarchy "A".  I couldn't agree more.  Hence my sig:

True... but the decriminalization of drugs is potentially more feasible than uprooting bureaucracy (government).. THAT would be a tall order..
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2006, 01:26:47 PM »
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Quote from: ""starry-eyed pirate""
but I believe in fighting on several fronts at once.  I'm with ya.
I understand- however that M.O. can be taxing; don't want to spread ourselves too thin...


Yeah, I know, what we need is a small group of dedicated hardcore muther-fuckers who wanna kick some ass !!!  Talk to me...
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2006, 01:38:28 PM »
Yep; people dedicated to kicking some ass by protesting, legislating, and speaking out against the Drug War.
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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2006, 01:40:29 PM »
Quote from: ""Frank Discussion""
Quote from: ""starry-eyed pirate""
Anyway...even if we could put an end to the war on drugs and close every single fucked-up program it wouldn't change the social dynamic that causes one group of people to oppress another.   It would only be a matter of time before the dynamic changed form.  As long as there is government there will be injustice and oppression.  A wall in the local park here, where I like to ride my mountain bike down over the rocks is spray-painted with the words: "One persons security is anothers oppression"  next to the words is the circled Anarchy "A".  I couldn't agree more.  Hence my sig:
True... but the decriminalization of drugs is potentially more feasible than uprooting bureaucracy (government).. THAT would be a tall order..


Yes, you are correct...LOL.  THAT is a tall order.  But as you wrote earlier, in your initial post $tr8 an' all these other programs are just a manifestation of the 'war on drugs'.  In the same way the 'war on drugs' is just a manifestation of the social power dynamic which instituions such as large federal style governments create.  The form will eventually change but the oppression and injustice inherent in that dynamic will remain the same.  Fuck all authority.
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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2006, 07:41:43 PM »
Perpetual subtraction- Words sing themselves unsaid- Acknowledge prayer on drugs until everyone has met and has been greeted- The weeks lap at a dissolving schedule- The naps of the innocent have been deliberately disturbed- The epidemic stupor seeps along underground and suspended wires from house to house, from block to block, claiming nations, and stirring up an absolute pitch of lethargic neglect which is a summons and beacon attracting the peak phenomenon to crash and crush cosmic distance into an uncontrollably laughing book
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2006, 08:57:18 PM »
interesting...
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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2006, 01:01:58 PM »
I started out my interest in this watching all the protesting and legislating and litigating and such and occasionally trying to tip the ball if it came my way . Here's a nice set of pics from the DATIA protest back in, I think, 2002. This one and the next frame are my favorite ones of the whole lot http://fornits.com/anonanon/DatiaProtes ... P_0061.htm
(woops! Guess I have to go and fix the comments form there....)

That was fun. I met a lot of interesting people, never ever have time enough to get to know any of them well enough. And I'm not sure it accomplished much, except for a good time and feeding those kids up on some good ideas and experience. But what do I know? I don't even remember having met Maia Szalavitz at the conf in Bathesda in 2000 and look what that clever gal done gone and done with it.

So I'm still hawking any thing that comes to my notice that seems like a good idea. Here lately, I'm much encouraged by a couple of things. LEAP seems to be growing some legs, and thank God! How often does an accomplished career cop retire and then twice cross the country on horseback condemning the war on certain unpatentable substances like Howard Wooldridge has done? And yet our fucked up excuse for a pretended IVth Estate seems to have missed it entirely.

Frustrating!

Yeah channel surfing. Hanging back, reassessing those things that didn't go the way I expected, wondering what might work better, feeling my mortality in acute ways. I don't like being Eudora, it just seemed necessary at the time. I'm eager to move on to the next step in this dance.

Any suggestions, anybody?
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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2006, 01:12:24 PM »
What's your faith in this "4th Estate" for?  They were co-opted by the government or big business a long time ago.  They ain't gonna help us with anything, they're just the mouthpieces for the powers that be, and that ain't changing anytime soon.
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