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Anne Bonney:
I would really like to be able to carry on a civil debate of the controversial aspects of Hyde adn the Gaulds.  I've been doing a little research here and there and Joe Gauld seems to have many of the same qualities that Miller Newton of Straight fame had/has.  I'm looking for all POVs, parents, students, staff...current and former, satisfied and not.  I'd really like to be able to get a little clearer picture of what Hyde and the Gaulds are about.



I've been PMing with a Hyde supporter today but I'd rather carry this discussion on here, in the open.   This is my last PM to whoever it is....


I didin't say I was sure. I said what I had seen so far disturbed me and it does. Which is why I'm asking questions. Particularly of people such as yourself who have been through it. I can read Hyde's site all day but it's just marketing. I'd like to have a normal, civil discussion of the controversial aspects of Hyde and like schools with someone with your perspective.

I also never said that just because someone believes strongly in something that makes it unhealthy. It was a comparison. Newton is now generally accepted even by TBS supporters to be an abusive ass, yet he still has his followers, young and old, from then and now. I said that because you keep telling me about these wonderful grads who are so grateful for the Gaulds and Hyde. People were grateful to Jim Jones too.


I'd love to discuss this and why I think the methodology is flawed with you further but I'd rather spend my time and effort doing it where more than one person can see and interpret and contribute to the discussion. If you'd like to do that you'd be more than welcome. Please don't go back to posting jabs anonymously. If you don't want to participate in an open discussion then don't....but stop the hit and run "hyde is great" crap and the personal attacks. Yes I realize that people on "my side" of the issue do the same but they're just as wrong as you are. I can still manage to carry on a discussion around them.
 

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: ""Anne Bonney"" ---I would really like to be able to carry on a civil debate of the controversial aspects of Hyde adn the Gaulds.  I've been doing a little research here and there and Joe Gauld seems to have many of the same qualities that Miller Newton of Straight fame had/has.  I'm looking for all POVs, parents, students, staff...current and former, satisfied and not.  I'd really like to be able to get a little clearer picture of what Hyde and the Gaulds are about.



I've been PMing with a Hyde supporter today but I'd rather carry this discussion on here, in the open.   This is my last PM to whoever it is....


I didin't say I was sure. I said what I had seen so far disturbed me and it does. Which is why I'm asking questions. Particularly of people such as yourself who have been through it. I can read Hyde's site all day but it's just marketing. I'd like to have a normal, civil discussion of the controversial aspects of Hyde and like schools with someone with your perspective.

I also never said that just because someone believes strongly in something that makes it unhealthy. It was a comparison. Newton is now generally accepted even by TBS supporters to be an abusive ass, yet he still has his followers, young and old, from then and now. I said that because you keep telling me about these wonderful grads who are so grateful for the Gaulds and Hyde. People were grateful to Jim Jones too.


I'd love to discuss this and why I think the methodology is flawed with you further but I'd rather spend my time and effort doing it where more than one person can see and interpret and contribute to the discussion. If you'd like to do that you'd be more than welcome. Please don't go back to posting jabs anonymously. If you don't want to participate in an open discussion then don't....but stop the hit and run "hyde is great" crap and the personal attacks. Yes I realize that people on "my side" of the issue do the same but they're just as wrong as you are. I can still manage to carry on a discussion around them.
 
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There's no question that there are similarities between Joe Gauld and other narcissistic administrators of programs for struggling teens.  I've heard similar stories about Mel Wasserman, who ran CEDU.  What they seem to have in common is a remarkable dose of arrogance and narcissism.  Some parents seem to eat up this kind of savior syndrome.  Many others see right through it and flee.  There are many good programs for struggling teens.  Programs like Hyde, and administrators like Gauld, are a stain on the industry.

Anne Bonney:
Anyone?  Anyone?  


Beuller?  Beuller?

Anne Bonney:
Wow.  Hyde supporters were all around a while back.  What happened?  I open a line of discussion for a civil, adult debate and they all disappear.  Interesting. :-?

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: ""Anne Bonney"" ---Wow.  Hyde supporters were all around a while back.  What happened?  I open a line of discussion for a civil, adult debate and they all disappear.  Interesting. :-?
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 Ok there Bonnie girl here I am debate away.

Perry Helyon Hyde '75

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