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Re: ODYSSEY TRANSPORT and Dr. Phil?
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2006, 07:38:58 PM »
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Odyssey Transport was recently filmed for an upcoming Dr. Phil Show on transporting teens. Dr. Phil's staff located Odyssey Transport through PURE's recommended Escort/Transport list.

http://www.caica.org


wtf??  hOW SICKENING IS THIS??  Transport companies (unregulated industry) which will take kids to yet another a TBS, etc (another unregualted industry).  This is so so so sickening!!

Who is this moron??
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2006, 07:56:37 PM »
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Odyssey is a good transport company. Non-abusive and compassionate.


says who?  Themselves ? idiot IZ?   Its unregualted- thus dangerous, side-stepping the bigger issue, the USE OF ESCORTS PERIOD!!
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2006, 08:10:03 PM »
And who do you propose is going to take a kid who is absolutely and completely out of control, who the parents cannot handle, who is heavy into drugs and is a danger to him or herself? There are times when this is necessary, as much as any and all of us would like to think otherwise.

It's time to be realistic about this stuff and rather than criticize everyone and everything find the safest and the best. The kids are sadly going to be sent away, it's just a sickening fact of life. So why not at least find people who are going to make it easier on them.

In a perfect world there would be no programs and there would be no transports. Unfortunately I haven't found that perfect world yet. So for now I think it's best we use some common sense and try to help as much as we can. If that means finding safer programs and safer escorts then maybe that's what needs to happen.

It's not a good situation. Best case scenario - all parents can handle their kids, all families are happy - but be real. Some kids never get the help they need and end up drug addicted the rest of their lives. That's not the answer either. There has to be some in-between. If the place is safe with good people it's sometimes a whole lot better than what the kids have at home. Sad as that is.
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2006, 08:10:07 PM »
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"CAICA knows the importance of warning parents against
  abusive programs.

  We also realize parents need options. P.U.R.E. gives parents
  options and  offers help - see below (click here)"


You two sure are a pair ain't ya?  Couple of sick, greedy fucks feeding off of other people's misery.  :flame: ::both::  ::fuckoff:: :flame:


http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=35

OH YEA?  Lovin' the air of authority!  Legitimacy, knowledge drawn from where exactly?
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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2006, 08:24:56 PM »
Drawn from the stop at the bank to make a DEPOSIT, that's where.
And the love of IZZY hearing herself TALK.
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2006, 08:39:13 PM »
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Well, nobody reads CA-CA, so IZZY has to post her shit here, if she wants it to be seen and read.



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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2006, 08:43:48 PM »
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And who do you propose is going to take a kid who is absolutely and completely out of control, who the parents cannot handle, who is heavy into drugs and is a danger to him or herself? There are times when this is necessary, as much as any and all of us would like to think otherwise.

No, there aren't.


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It's time to be realistic about this stuff and rather than criticize everyone and everything find the safest and the best. The kids are sadly going to be sent away, it's just a sickening fact of life. So why not at least find people who are going to make it easier on them.

Why not address the root of the problem?  Parents!!!  Why do the kids have to be sent away for the parents fuck ups?


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In a perfect world there would be no programs and there would be no transports. Unfortunately I haven't found that perfect world yet. So for now I think it's best we use some common sense and try to help as much as we can. If that means finding safer programs and safer escorts then maybe that's what needs to happen.

But it's not.


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It's not a good situation. Best case scenario - all parents can handle their kids, all families are happy - but be real. Some kids never get the help they need and end up drug addicted the rest of their lives. That's not the answer either. There has to be some in-between. If the place is safe with good people it's sometimes a whole lot better than what the kids have at home. Sad as that is.


No, there really doesn't.  The only kids that need to be removed from the home are the ones that are in IMMINENT danger of hurting themselves or others.  IMMINENT.  That's an unbelievably minute amount.
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2006, 08:46:22 PM »
And even then, they need to go to state-run facilities, not private ones.
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2006, 08:47:55 PM »
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And even then, they need to go to state-run facilities, not private ones.


Absolutely! :tup:
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2006, 12:03:11 AM »
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And who do you propose is going to take a kid who is absolutely and completely out of control, who the parents cannot handle, who is heavy into drugs and is a danger to him or herself? There are times when this is necessary, as much as any and all of us would like to think otherwise.

In a perfect world there would be no programs and there would be no transports. Unfortunately I haven't found that perfect world yet. So for now I think it's best we use some common sense and try to help as much as we can.


kid out of control may be sent to REGULATED RTC's  

By programs do you differentiate regulated from unreg ones?

In perfect world there would be no need for institutionalization of youth, naturally. However, since, at this time our system is substancially and near completely flawed (ie. see this issue, see Hurrcane Katrina, see retirement homes, prisons, the drug war, etc)- the desired, more effective, community based alternatives are often not available.  Given our societies general shift toward ignoring domestic crisis's, absence of community based care & mental health care parity- regulated and accredited residential treatment are the proper alternative.  Unreg. facilities are dangerous!
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2006, 12:14:24 AM »
Regulated facilities are dangerous too.
It all boils down to the methods employed.
Do you want BM... or therapy?
Because the former is what you get in a program.
I realize the difficulty, but take that $100,000, search out a highly effective therapist, one who will modify YOUR behavior
so your kid can resume being a kid.
Spend a generous portion on helping your kid find his/her passion.
Experiment until you find that thing that rekindles hope and
pleasure.
The absolute best therapy in the world is to show your kid that
you won't bail when the going gets tough, and that you're willing
to cop to your own crap that certainly contributed to the 'family'
problem.
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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2006, 12:18:21 AM »
Bingo!! :nworthy:
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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2006, 04:22:00 AM »
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In a perfect world there would be no programs and there would be no transports. Unfortunately I haven't found that perfect world yet. So for now I think it's best we use some common sense and try to help as much as we can. If that means finding safer programs and safer escorts then maybe that's what needs to happen.quote]

Perhaps you could go to England,Europe, anywhere in latin America, Australia, New Zealand or Asia as far as i am aware none of these places have programmes. (Except the places that have American run programmes for American kids) The very small percentage of the Adolescent population whose mental illnesses are severe enough to require hospitilisation recieve as humane treatment as possible and therefore dont get forcibly taken in a private patty wagon.
Naughty kids are handled by their family, community and occasionally the criminal justice system. In most of these places a kid who hands a another kid a joint is not a trafficer. 17 year olds having sex with their 14 year old partners dont have to go to "sex offender programmes".

kids who are at boarding school go home for holidays and communicate with their parents uncensored. Food is not a punishment or a reward. Outdoor activities really are recreational not punitive.

Some of these places still have kids who grow up to be adult criminals but the adult crime, death, addiction rates are not that different to the US.
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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2006, 11:01:46 AM »
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Regulated facilities are dangerous too.


Not anywhere nearly as dangerous as unregulated/unaccredited facilities.  Not even close, in fact.

The methods used at unreg. BM facilities are entirely different that facilities that are regulated & accredited.  Dangerous as far as restraints and variable quality of different staff, but access to advocates makes a rather large difference.  So does the obligatory notification of right of youth as patients.

Not trying to measure the badness of bade facilities,  but as far the degree of variance in terms of types of tx seen at regulated vs unregulated facilities differ a great deal in terms of what is seen as legitimate therpeutic, bm or combo bm/therapuetic practices.  

Given that youth have acess to advocates at regulated RTC's and other strandard protocol, unreg. facilities should be a non-option.  

If institutionalization is neccesary, given this non-ideal situation parents usually find themselves in, regulated RTC's make  a heck of a lot more sense.
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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2006, 11:20:22 AM »
BM is dangerous, whether it's in a regulated facility or otherwise.
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