It's weird to me to see Program people come on here and describe Fornits participants as "losers."
Their definition of "loser" seems to be: "Someone who is a vocal Program critic."
Or, more accurately, their definition of loser seems to be: "Someone who's saying things I don't want to hear."
There's no objective definition of "loser" that seems to apply to the disillusioned Program survivors on Fornits. One of the Program survivors is a millionare--no thanks to the Program. Ginger is a successful small business owner--no thanks to the Program.
I can cite all kinds of financial and professional success various Program critics on Fornits have had. I'm not the only one who's racked up substantial bragging right in my professional life.
That's nice, but I think the real measure of our success in life is our ability to form and sustain close, long-term relationships with other people. Also, our success can be measured in the extent to which our moral, ethical, and spiritual development motivates us to seek to alleviate the suffering of people weaker and more vulnerable than ourselves.
The Program critics on Fornits almost universally have strong and well-developed moral and ethical beliefs, and a deep sense of responsibility to challenge injustice and seek to improve the lot in life of people who we believe are suffering.
Very likely, most Program critics engage in substantial charity and volunteering unrelated to their advocacy here---charity and volunteering for which they neither seek nor get money, recognition, or credit. We seek healthy opportunities to alleviate the suffering of those weaker and more vulnerable for their own sake.
A whole lot of the Program critics on Fornits have healthy, deep, human relationships--whether with a spouse, long-term friends, their children, extended family members, or one or more members of their childhood immediate family. We know this because many of us have come to know each other and have talked in passing about various of our loved ones in our lives. We critics' success in building and maintaining close bonds with chosen loved ones is probably near universal.
By those measures, arguably the very best measures of success in life, NONE of these Program critics are "losers."
Comparatively, Program Shills' personal lives rarely seem to pass the sniff test.
Julie