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How Long until You Confessed?
Anonymous:
Why?
Anonymous:
Why.?...
Greg I thought sheep were your preference of choice.
NOT12NOW:
Why? Because we would like to know about your experience. That's what we do here, share our true experiences. I'd like to know how old you were when you went in the program, when you were there, how long you stayed around.
When you toss out platitudes like, "to thy own self be true," it reminds me of one of my experiences at the seed. The experience of having ones feelings shot down. It used to happen traveling back and forth from the program, at school or on permission outings with other seedlings. It went like this one seedling says something not strickly with the program, is seen being too friendly with a non-seedling at school, mentions liking a movie or song that isn't directly seed sanctioned and their seed companion tosses out a platitude like, "I used to see it that way before I started working the program, Hang around a barbershop and your going to get a hair cut, or that's a druggy song/movie." Not a direct attack just a poke, a reminder that an attack could happen at any time.
It worked like a charm. I pushed down my true feelings so far I didn't know what my true feelings were. Now I do.
Anonymous:
Another resaon why: If the program is as beneficial as you claim it to be, than it should be fairly easy to specify the positive aspects/tools of the program.
When a program parent visited my site claiming that the program I attended was the end all-be all, I described to her the way raps/workshops were conducted on a SYSTEMIC Level, and as well as the day-to-day life. She totally glossed over the abuses and kept up her rhetoric. Finally, I asked what specifically worked. What tools and climatic aspects rendered a healthier person with more self esteem. She coudln't provide and answer to that. She never could.
If you can, that is a good starting point.
GregFL:
Most of the time, the people that claim "help" also claim it was the "love and caring" that cured them. They usually summarily ignore, deny or gloss over the actual techniques used to "help" them. When pressed for actual help, they usually talk about the steps or serenity prayer....two very benign things that don't require cohersion, inprisonment and threats of jail and witholding of affection and personal dignities to practice.
When pressed to answer how their "love" and "caring" wasn't conditional on them changing their behavior and adopting certain group ideals and behaviors, their argument just dries up. If you didn't act like a seedling, you were shown the door. That is, when you were old enough and there long enough to make the decision without fear of being tackled to the floor and put on the front row.
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