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Anonymous:
Wups. Make that 14. :-)
Julie
Oz girl:
"While I think anorexia is a dangerous disease, the sites with the best weight loss tips if your doctor says I want you to lose weight are the pro-anorexia sites."
You can't be seroius Julie! i am sure just about every woman alive in the western world between 12 and 60 has at one stage or another struggled with body image issues and done something idiotic in a bid to look good!
To me directing people to a pro ana site is like telling someone to look at the positives of terrorism or paedophilia. "I dont agree with everything but in some aspects they kind of have a point"
Childhood obesity is fairly easily prevented in the first place without the need to count calories or consult doctors at all. Just feed kids real food and have them do active things with their time.
Anonymous:
The site I found talked about portion control, talked about making sure you got the USRDA of vitamins and nutrients, talked about taking just a bite of someone else's dessert instead of ordering the whole thing, talked about which vegetables make the best munchies, talked about how to fight hunger cravings, talked about taking two swallows of water for every bite of food. They also talk about specific exercise routines for burning calories. They talk about eliminating junk food as needless calories empty of nutritive value.
All these are useful tips *so long as* you:
First, start with the sane part of making sure your doctor says you're healthy enough to reduce your calorie intake and undertake an exercise program.
Second, ask your doctor how much she wants you to lose and set an end goal weight where you will stop and simply maintain instead of always seeking to lose more.
Third, ask your doctor how fast it is safe and appropriate for you to lose weight.
Fourth, have what you eat be a balanced diet of nutritious foods.
The dose makes the poison. Weight loss tips that are perfectly appropriate practiced responsibly under your doctor's care if you weigh 200 pounds at 5 foot 2 are unhealthy and dangerous if you weight 95 pounds at 5 foot 2.
They have good weight loss tips.
They also have no sense of proportion and where to stop, and they're going to extremes no competent nutritionist or physician would recommend.
Eating a chocolate bar for dessert: reasonable.
Eating two pounds of chocolate for dessert: stupid.
Losing three pounds a week, if you're overweight and your doctor approves: reasonable.
Losing ten pounds a week without talking to your doctor first: stupid.
Walking a mile a day after talking to your doctor, who approves: reasonable.
Going from doing nothing, flat out of shape, straight to running three miles a day without talking to your doctor first: stupid.
One of the bad things Programs do is destroy people's sense of proportion. One of the worst things about that is that it seems to be the families who already have problems with extremes who get tangled up with the Programs.
Yes, the pro-ana sites have culled through the wide variety of weight loss tips and have things that work.
No, that doesn't make doing extreme things to your body that would shock your doctor A-OK.
Murdering people and diddling children are hardly in the same class with walking a mile or replacing your super-sized cheeseburger combo with a nice ceasar salad with grilled chicken, dressing on the side, taking a daily multivitamin, and drinking your 8 glasses of water.
That whole Program mindset of extremes is what's so wacky about them. It's also the boogie man behind "psychological addiction" and the boogie man behind obsessions like anorexia and other obsessive control behaviors.
"A" friends and "F" friends---Wild extremes instead of the simple old standby, "If Jenny jumped off a bridge, would you do it, too?"
The pro-ana sites have good weight loss tips fat people can use, if said fat people are careful, sensible, and responsible. However, just because the anorexics are jumping off a bridge doesn't mean those of us who need to lose a few pounds have to jump off the bridge, too.
I trust my average fellow human beings to just be garden variety idiots, not colossal, complete, and totally unmitigated idiots.
What part of "see your doctor" did you miss?
Julie
Deborah:
Well, fwiw, my 2 cents.
I think most people are doomed when they decide to "diet". There's so much crap attached to the word, it should be striken from the English language.
If people just focused on "eating for health", the weight would come off as a natural result. Eat for Health, not Weight Loss.
My son was 60# over when he moved back home. 260 with a nice chubby belly (too much junk and sedentary lifestyle). He lost those 60# in 3 months without much effort at all. He works out 2- 4 times a week, runs ocassionally, but the thing that really did it was giving up junk (most, not even all) and eating my healthy cooking, which he was raised on and loves, btw.
Oz girl:
i couldnt agree more deborah.
As to the pro ana sites. They can only do harm. i have a hunch that the vast majority of people who visit them are not your average girl looking to loose a kilo or 2! Moreover i also dont think that morbidly obese people particularly teenagers always eat because they are hungry! Just as looking a certain way is only 1 part of the issue for anorexic girls.
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