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Hitler Youth influence?
starry-eyed pirate:
--- Quote from: ""cleveland"" ---... Art copied a lot of the Seed's format from AA, which in turn copied from the Oxford Group and Frank Buchman's Moral Rearmament group (how come no one is interested in this? - this is the real origin of all of this stuff). Art did say he had worked at Bellvue, in NY, a notorious asylum. I never heard of any Synanon connection unless Bellvue was experimenting with these techniques.
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OK...I'm interested...please...elaborate, if you would...
Antigen:
I just sold some stepper a book by Emmett Fox not too long ago. Google the name.
starry-eyed pirate:
He was an influential religious author of some kind, and had some kind of an influence over the cult in the early days of AA. But theres like 1000 websites about him. Can't you just cut to the chase for me ?? What's his connection to the Oxford Group and Buchman and how do they connect to the Seed and $tr8 ?? And what is the Oxford group and who is Frank Buchman anyway ?? Where am I ?? and what the Fuck is goin' on ??
Antigen:
Well, here's a good example:
--- Quote ---An account set forth in "Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers" tells of the influence of Emmet Fox and his classic work, "Sermon on the Mount." An AA old-timer recollected: "The first thing he (Dr. Bob) did was to get Emmet Fox?s ?Sermon on the Mount?. Once when I was working on a woman in Cleveland, I called and asked him what to do for someone who is going into DT?s. He told me to give her the medication and he said, ?When she comes out of it and she decides she wants to be a different woman, get her Drummond?s ?The Greatest Thing in the World.? Tell her to read it through every day for thirty days and she?ll be a different woman.? Those were the three main books at the time; that and ?The Upper Room? and ?The Sermon on the Mount.?"
http://www.midlandaa.org/AAhistory/EmmettFox.html
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It amazes me, too, that anybody who claims to know anything at all about the stepcult could possibly choke out the words to form the lie that it's not a religion. It's a religion. Not even a good old one w/ some provable merit, like millenia of successful existence or something. It's just one of the the wackier cults going who's members not only routinely wash out personally, but they wear it as a badge of honor. I was well familiar with the philosophy before I ever knew these names because my grandfather, Elija Haines Hilliar (uh, EHH to you, friend!) was a devout follower; i.e. professional alcoholic.
Like any other religion, it's primarily a social club. The very well received get to bask in the glory and get all the good connects from other well recieved, very pious sounding elite members while the Kleine Leute (little people) scramble and strive to attain that holy reverent level of piety so that they too can be ambassadors and live in million dollar mansions, entertaining vips and demolishing and rebuilding whole home towns and neighborhoods on a whim. And the dumb fuckers seem to go on and on and on forever believing that they'll get there, eventually, if they just eat just a little bit more shit jus a little more, really, we can do it, fakeittillyamakeit.... Gaghhhh!
Guest, I think ppl make a logical error in trying to define religion when they try and define something that is outside of nature. No such thing. By the very definition of the word, Nature, it's all inclusive. The trouble people have with it is that there are parts of it, huge expanses really, that we can neither understand nor master, maybe can't even perceive. So we invent these invisible God friends to make us feel better because we're scared shitless of this nature that this invisible friend of ours so gracously bestowed upon us....
As de dawg chases his tail....
susan:
WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT A DRUNK OLD COMEDIAN THINKS ABOUT ANYTHING! He is a child abuser simple as that.
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