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TheWho · « **Reply #2655 on:** May 31, 2007, 12:51:41 PM »

It is becoming increasingly clearer as more data comes in that TBS and wilderness programs provide a safe haven for kids who are at risk, especially as compared to the public sector (but I think we all knew that). It will be interesting (and a challenge, in my opinion) to come up with numbers that compares these figures to other areas such as boot camps and correctional institutes which seems to have a higher level of violence and lower success rates.

Check out this linkfor a list of all activity including mental hospitals for those who are interested:
Mental hospitals and juvenile placements

NCES still has not released their data for 2004-2005 year..... as soon as it becomes availble I will add the figures in.

You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
__________________________________________________________________

July 1, 2000 thru June 2001 -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides , X Restraint, 2,959 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 2 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002 -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides , X Other, 2,868 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2002 thru June 2003 -------There were 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides , X Other, 2,846 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2003 thru June 2004 -------There were 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides , X Other, 2,722 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
NCES National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles (caica.org, isaccorp.org), posts and PM?s.... All deaths are verified thru local news articles.
X -- Incomplete or unavailable

Troll Control · « **Reply #2656 on:** May 31, 2007, 01:02:14 PM »

Quote from: ""The Who""

I believe someone has hacked my account. They keep posting that list of bogus numbers. I do want children to be able to get the help they need from a devestating path in life, but we shouldn't ignore the dangers that exist. Here is a revised list of stats that reflect the revised numbers for TBS related deaths.

Please bear with me for this investigation!

The Who

1980
There were 0 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 7 Accidents, 0 Other----- 7 Total

1982
There were 0 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 1 Other, unknown----- 1 Total

1984
There were 0 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 2 Other, Medical Neglect----- 2 Total

1985
There were 0 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 0 Other----- 1 Total

1988
There were 2 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 0 Other----- 3 Total

1989
There were 4 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 4 Total

1990
There were 4 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 4 Accidents, 0 Other----- 8 Total

1991
There were 1 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 1 Total

1992
There were 1 Homicides, 2 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 3 Total

1993
There were 5 Homicides, 1 Suicide Attempt, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 5 Total

1994
There were 3 Homicides, 1 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 4 Other, Medical Neglect, Unknown----- 9 Total

1995
There were 2 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 0 Other----- 3 Total

1996
There were 5 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 5 Total

1997
There were 7 Homicides, 1 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 8 Total

1998
There were 7 Homicides, 5 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 3 Other,Medical Neglect----- 15 Total

1999
There were 5 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 1 Other, Medical Neglect ----- 6 Total

2000
There wre 9 Homicides, 3 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 0 Other----- 13 Total

2001
There were 3 Homicides, 3 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 3 Other, Medical Neglect----- 9 Total

2002
There were 4 Homicides, 1 Suicides, 2 Accidents, 2 Other----- 9 Total

2003
There were 3 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 2 Other, Unknown----- 6 Total

2004
There were 1 Homicides, 2 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 2 Other, Medical Neglect----- 6 Total

2005
There were 3 Homicides, 3 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 5 Other, Medical Neglect, Unknown----- 12 Total

2006
There were 4 Homicides, 3 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 6 Other, Medical Neglect, Unknown----- 15 Total

2007
There were to date, 2 Homicides, 1 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 1 Other, Medical Neglect----- 4 Total

Grand Total----- 155 Known Deaths
Unknown Deaths, Accidents, Injuries, Assaults, Sexual inpropriaties, Hazing----- ?

http://www.isaccorp.org/deaths.asp
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/INMEMORIAM.html
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20Main.html

Troll Control · « **Reply #2657 on:** May 31, 2007, 02:03:28 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: ""Guest""
This is NOT FUNNY, TheWho! What is WRONG with you?

Quote from: ""Guest""
Here's another Sleazy Response from TheWho about a sexual abuse victim:

Quote from: ""TheWho""

Ha, Ha, Ha............. Sometimes this is too funny! You people will say anything to get attention or to manipulate... Ha, Ha, Ha... Well, you know, sometimes a kid getting anally gang-raped is the best way to deal with immaturity! You have to grow up some time.......Ha, Ha, Ha

This guy is SICK!
Yes, but he tries to portray himself as a "child advocate" which has become a synonym in the TBs industry for "child abuser"...

Anyone reading TheWho's nonsense should put it in context by reading his other posts, especially the ones where he says it's perfectly acceptable to "make up data"

Why would TheWho try to blame his demented comments on RB who has never said anything remotely resembling the trash that TheWho posts daily? TheWho really is a sick individual and needs a lot of help.

One of the people he PM's with here (asked to remain anon) forwarded this to me in disgust after one of TheWho's PM's to her:

Quote from: ""TheWho""

Wow, I really got those guys stirred up today! Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to respond, but these kids claiming to have been "victimized" or "abused" are really just exagerating things to manipulate parents into not seeking help. 99% of that stuff never even happened (lies) and the other 1% is overblown (manipulation). One thing I will admit though is that when I was visiting my daughter at ASR there were some "troubled girls" there who were coming on to me (I guess in an attempt to try to get me to take them out of there -manipulation- which I would never do). Looking back, some of them were pretty hot and if they liked sex, it wouldn't be "abuse" to give it to them! I definitely thought about it and bet that the counselors did too!

Back on topic...Ha, Ha, Ha... I will be updating the matrices today so you can pass them on to your colleagues. And thanks again for your advice. Fight fire with fire! I'm going to do it to "Bob" today!

I guess this explains a few things, huh? TheWho is a sick-o and a loser with nothing better to do than try to control and/or abuse kids.

TheWho · « **Reply #2658 on:** May 31, 2007, 02:37:54 PM »

I see everyone is having a good time today!!

Hope it isnt because my data indicates TBS's and wilderness programs to be safe. The battle of the matrices as we say!! Ha,Ha,Ha

You guys will write anything to keep this thread at the top, good show..... Keep it going

...

Troll Control · « **Reply #2659 on:** May 31, 2007, 03:37:31 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
This is NOT FUNNY, TheWho! What is WRONG with you?

Quote from: ""Guest""
Here's another Sleazy Response from TheWho about a sexual abuse victim:

Quote from: ""TheWho""

Ha, Ha, Ha............. Sometimes this is too funny! You people will say anything to get attention or to manipulate... Ha, Ha, Ha... Well, you know, sometimes a kid getting anally gang-raped is the best way to deal with immaturity! You have to grow up some time.......Ha, Ha, Ha

This guy is SICK!
Yes, but he tries to portray himself as a "child advocate" which has become a synonym in the TBs industry for "child abuser"...

Anyone reading TheWho's nonsense should put it in context by reading his other posts, especially the ones where he says it's perfectly acceptable to "make up data"

Why would TheWho try to blame his demented comments on RB who has never said anything remotely resembling the trash that TheWho posts daily? TheWho really is a sick individual and needs a lot of help.

One of the people he PM's with here (asked to remain anon) forwarded this to me in disgust after one of TheWho's PM's to her:

Quote from: ""TheWho""

Wow, I really got those guys stirred up today! Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to respond, but these kids claiming to have been "victimized" or "abused" are really just exagerating things to manipulate parents into not seeking help. 99% of that stuff never even happened (lies) and the other 1% is overblown (manipulation). One thing I will admit though is that when I was visiting my daughter at ASR there were some "troubled girls" there who were coming on to me (I guess in an attempt to try to get me to take them out of there -manipulation- which I would never do). Looking back, some of them were pretty hot and if they liked sex, it wouldn't be "abuse" to give it to them! I definitely thought about it and bet that the counselors did too!

Back on topic...Ha, Ha, Ha... I will be updating the matrices today so you can pass them on to your colleagues. And thanks again for your advice. Fight fire with fire! I'm going to do it to "Bob" today!

I guess this explains a few things, huh? TheWho is a sick-o and a loser with nothing better to do than try to control and/or abuse kids.

I guess the people that TheWho thought he had the confidence of have bailed on him too. I see he's trying to avoid his nasty comments, but I'm glad people keep his disgusting comments at the front of this thread because it tells a lot about his guy.

RobertBruce · « **Reply #2660 on:** May 31, 2007, 06:13:55 PM »

No idea. Who has made a series of innappropriate comments yet again and claims he cannot back up. His original plan of repeating the same tired nonsense over and over again in the hopes that someone somewhere will actually believe that garbage, just isnt panning out. The truth about how many kids are murdered and abused in these places, and the fact that the public sector is proven to be a great deal safer than the PTS is just too easily accessible. Us recognizing that truth and ignoring his nonsense really has him riled up. In an effort to cope his other personalities have taken over and are attempting to detract from the issue by claiming his earlier dismissals of kids abuses was actually me. Nothing could be further from the truth but Who's never cared too much about such trival things as facts and the truth. Let him continue to play his games if he wants. No one takes him seriously on or off the board, all he's doing is destroying what little credibility he has left.

TheWho · « **Reply #2661 on:** May 31, 2007, 06:49:11 PM »

The kids seem to be having fun today.....

It is becoming increasingly clearer as more data comes in that TBS and wilderness programs provide a safe haven for kids who are at risk, especially as compared to the public sector (but I think we all knew that). It will be interesting (and a challenge, in my opinion) to come up with numbers that compares these figures to other areas such as boot camps and correctional institutes which seems to have a higher level of violence and lower success rates.

Check out this linkfor a list of all activity including mental hospitals for those who are interested:
Mental hospitals and juvenile placements

NCES still has not released their data for 2004-2005 year..... as soon as it becomes availble I will add the figures in.

You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
__________________________________________________________________

July 1, 2000 thru June 2001 -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides , X Restraint, 2,959 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 2 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002 -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides , X Other, 2,868 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2002 thru June 2003 -------There were 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides , X Other, 2,846 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2003 thru June 2004 -------There were 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides , X Other, 2,722 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
NCES National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles (caica.org, isaccorp.org), posts and PM?s.... All deaths are verified thru local news articles.
X -- Incomplete or unavailable

Anonymous · « **Reply #2662 on:** May 31, 2007, 08:07:18 PM »

This is like a scientific observation on the insanity of program parents, TheWho being the lab subject. :rofl:

TheWho · « **Reply #2663 on:** May 31, 2007, 08:18:10 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

This is like a scientific observation on the insanity of program parents, TheWho being the lab subject. :rofl:

I am beginning to think you are right, these people are nuts. Everyone should try to focus on helping kids out instead of beating up on each other. They should take this to their own thread and have it out.

Anonymous · « **Reply #2664 on:** May 31, 2007, 09:44:36 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

If theWho's daughter had been sexually and physically abused in a program, would he thought it "a little funny" then when she recounts her story? I wonder...

I wonder how the father of Programmer#5 would react knowing that TheWho was making fun of his kid like that.
Maybe he wouldn't care, like theWho, that strangers humiliate and tease his daughter after she is abused.

TheWho · « **Reply #2665 on:** May 31, 2007, 09:49:29 PM »

All the trolls are out tonight... Ha,Ha,Ha.. must be a full moon !!

anon who

Troll Control · « **Reply #2666 on:** June 01, 2007, 09:15:02 AM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
This is NOT FUNNY, TheWho! What is WRONG with you?

Quote from: ""Guest""
Here's another Sleazy Response from TheWho about a sexual abuse victim:

Quote from: ""TheWho""

Ha, Ha, Ha............. Sometimes this is too funny! You people will say anything to get attention or to manipulate... Ha, Ha, Ha... Well, you know, sometimes a kid getting anally gang-raped is the best way to deal with immaturity! You have to grow up some time.......Ha, Ha, Ha

This guy is SICK!
Yes, but he tries to portray himself as a "child advocate" which has become a synonym in the TBs industry for "child abuser"...

Anyone reading TheWho's nonsense should put it in context by reading his other posts, especially the ones where he says it's perfectly acceptable to "make up data"

Why would TheWho try to blame his demented comments on RB who has never said anything remotely resembling the trash that TheWho posts daily? TheWho really is a sick individual and needs a lot of help.

One of the people he PM's with here (asked to remain anon) forwarded this to me in disgust after one of TheWho's PM's to her:

Quote from: ""TheWho""

Wow, I really got those guys stirred up today! Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to respond, but these kids claiming to have been "victimized" or "abused" are really just exagerating things to manipulate parents into not seeking help. 99% of that stuff never even happened (lies) and the other 1% is overblown (manipulation). One thing I will admit though is that when I was visiting my daughter at ASR there were some "troubled girls" there who were coming on to me (I guess in an attempt to try to get me to take them out of there -manipulation- which I would never do). Looking back, some of them were pretty hot and if they liked sex, it wouldn't be "abuse" to give it to them! I definitely thought about it and bet that the counselors did too!

Back on topic...Ha, Ha, Ha... I will be updating the matrices today so you can pass them on to your colleagues. And thanks again for your advice. Fight fire with fire! I'm going to do it to "Bob" today!

I guess this explains a few things, huh? TheWho is a sick-o and a loser with nothing better to do than try to control and/or abuse kids.

New lows for TheWho. Sad? Yes. Surprising? No, not at all.

RobertBruce · « **Reply #2667 on:** June 01, 2007, 10:17:59 AM »

I agree. Which raises the question as to why you continue to post your garbage over and over again. Youre a sick individual Who, in many ways.

Youre also a complete joke and hysterical to watch. I can easily imagine the Benny Hill music playing as you scurry all over the board trying to edit your post and blame them on me, then quickly return and offer yourself support.

RobertBruce · « **Reply #2668 on:** June 01, 2007, 10:36:20 AM »

*YAWN*. Whatever you say Who. Whenever you decide to own up to your comments you let me know. In the meantime bear in mind youre hurting alot of kids.

Anonymous · « **Reply #2669 on:** June 01, 2007, 10:57:18 AM »

Everybody please. Just stop responding to this thread. The who is a small petty idiotic man.
Getting all worked up about him wont help
nor will giving his silly little made up charts enough credence to actually comment
JUST IGNORE HIM AND HE MAY GO AWAY
This is painful to watch
it obscures real info and debate
It demeans the site
PLEASE PLEASE DONT GIVE THIS THREAD ANY FURTHER ATTENTION
whenever the man posts ignore it
:flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:

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