A letter to Three Springs Waygookin
When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids.
This could also be read as follows: ?When I was in a program for disrespectful children as a young sprout I remember a friend of mine mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids?
What is the difference between children taking the law into their own hands in a regular school as opposed to a program? Because you seem somewhat dim I?ll answer this question for you: There isn?t a difference and if there is a difference it?s that it is expected and condoned in a program. Using your logic, this could only be construed as a good thing. Everyone is justly punished according to their misdemeanors in a program. Thus justice - or more specifically - your form of justice is served. Do you not see the inherent contradiction within your statement? The dichotomy of reason? You cannot have it both ways.
I sassed my grandma once and got my mouth half slapped off my head by my grandma. I used a foul word in front of my mum and got my ass whipped so hard it still hurts to think about it.
First of all in never slapped a kid in my life. If I ever have children and one cusses me I will take a belt to his or her ass right quick and in a hurry, but never have I slapped or spanked kids in a program.
So, beating children teaches them to behave and become better adults? According to the above quote you yourself were beaten as a child for cussing, were you not? Now, correct me if I?m wrong, but you also condone the use of violence in order to teach children ?lessons?. Now you can re-read your posts and tell me if you really learnt your lesson about cussing? I suggest you go at once to your mother and ask for another beating! Your lesson was clearly, plainly and obviously not learnt.
*Good parenting, according to you, is what?s required to end the programs.
*Good parenting, as far as you?re concerned, involves beating children if they misbehave to teach them a lesson.
*You had, by your definition, ?good parents? since they beat you when you cussed.
*Your parents? beatings taught you nothing as you continue to cuss.
*Therefore you?ve totally contradicted your own rule!!
*...Thus proving that beating children to teach them a 'lesson' doesn't do a damn thing!
A specific case of a young migrant worker who sold some crack to some gal who o.d.ed on the crap and nearly died.. well he just dissappeared.
This isn?t a very ?specific case?. Please explain to me your definition of the colloquialism ?disappear?. Did he discover the Ring of Power? Did he perhaps receive an all expenses paid trip to France? If you?re going to relay what you consider a ?specific case? you could at least BE SPECIFIC! You may not have said murdered but the implication is there.
If he was murdered I would have stated that. Do I feel bad about what happened to him? Fuck no. He deserved much worse for selling drugs
So you do know what happened to him? What did he deserve? You must keep in mind that although you profess to dislike the programs for what they do to detainees, many of the kids within them are drug dealers, drug users and drug abusers. These programs exist for kids purportedly involved with drugs. Yet you claim drug dealers deserve worse than ?being disappeared?. Unless ?disappear? does in fact mean that he got a trip to France your statement implies that they should be in the programs being abused and beaten and perhaps - if you?re really lucky ? ?disappeared?. The implication with this is that the programs must be good; as they deal with the supposed drug dealers you hate so much. Again, there is a massive hole in your reasoning.
My so called "cycle of violence" is more of this Al Gore Douche Bag liberalism in living color
You are wrong. The cycle of violence is evident in your very own words. You were beaten as a child for cussing and you choose to beat your own children should they ever cuss. However, being beaten clearly never taught you that cussing is bad as you continue to cuss. Go ahead, beat your children when they cuss and then take a look at yourself to see where it?ll get them. Nobody learns a single thing! The only thing you?re left with IS a cycle of violence. Nothing more, nothing less.
I did what I did as a result of being thrust into a desperate situation in at the time I wrongly felt I had no other options. Not because my ass got spanked with a belt when I was seven years old.
Did it ever occur to you that because your ass got spanked when you were young that you gravitated towards negative situations; much like a child will desperately want to touch the hot stove once it has been expressly forbidden to do so? Or conversely, that the drug dealer you so despised was, like you, ?thrust into a desperate situation at the time? when he felt he ?had no other options?? What separates your mistakes from his? Why should you be so deserving of special treatment? Does your compassion only extend to yourself?
(I?m not saying that you?re wrong on this, I?m saying its just as likely that what you did IS a result of being spanked as it isn?t a result of being spanked. There is no way you can prove it. There is only one of you. There is no control experiment.)
Wanting to end the programs is great. However I?m not sure for what reasons you want to do this. You seem to be confusing respect with servitude. In order to gain respect, you' need to show respect. Beating people for being disrespectful merely breeds fear and promotes more violence and disrespect.
