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Anonymous:
SO, Odie You do still check in from time to time. I thought we lost you. :P
Paul St. John:
--- Quote from: ""Eighty 2"" ---Your so deep! When I was drinking the purple beverage -base, (kool-aid) in the 80's, I watched sadly, as fools like you ran away. Grow up & get help! How can you be so stuck on promoting BS?
Here I sit alone & confused wondering what has happened, alone on this cold & unfeeling chair, asking myself why.......Please spare us the drama of cutting & pasting, I have to get to my GED class.
Eat some turkey & have fun, care about you/love ya! hows bout a reach out?
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I am assuming you are talking to me as per your reference to " cut and paste drama" (lol), but as I told you earlier, You can be rest assured that I will always let you know when a response is coming from me. the preceding post that your was in response to was not from me.
Paul St. John
Paul St. John:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---He's wrong because he is wrong. Are you to agree with him that everyone here are fools, and babies, or that a person needs to lie and claim to be a psychologist with years experince just to get a point accross. While he calls everybody else babies, his posts, for the most, read like a child's temper tantrum.
Your ranting & raving is very calm! Yeah, ok who is drinking the cool-aid now.
LMAO! I don't even know what you are talking about, nor have I ever said that you were at any point drinking kool-aid. I don't even understand this consistent refernce to kool aid. What does kool aid have to do with anything...
but Great Point! :roll:
You seem to sit for hours finding ways to rip people up.
Lmao, again. Sorry man.. I don't have that type of time, nor inclination. I am simply a hell of a lot more intelligent then you, and don't like hurting people.
Is this your web site? Who are you to judge everyone?
"Who are you to judge everyone?", says the man(and I use the term, "man" loosely) who has in one paragraph judged every single person who writes in this forum fools, and five year old babies, who need to get therapy, and go back to school. this in spite that the majority of people here already have a far higher education level then you, and still we do not see it your way. I judge you to be the type of person, that thinks that if he just does things that everyone else tells him or even that he may decide on his own, everything will be okay, and that all other parts of reality will fall away. I would say that school and therapy would be to you what Jesus and the bible are to an extremist born again.
Babies & fools can't let go of uncomfortable experiences, they sit with there finger up there ass crying.
I think you met " 'their' ass . See I am taking your advice and learning to spell.
A person has a choice with what the do in life. they can hold onto something 'til it kills them. they can let it go. they can also speak out about it. My guess is that y0ou have more repressions about daytop then anyone here, and that you do not have the mentality to be aware of them. Of course I could be wrong.
Sound familiar. The only reason why people challenge you is because your rude. You doubt that I am a social worker, and..We're not in a group, your not one of my clients, your a miserable asshole that is demeaning, rude and a know it all! You deserve to have people talk to you like shit, that's how you treat most of the people you reply to. If I would have been pleasant & open to discussion, yet indifferent to your position or view would we be peers, or possibly friends, I doubt it.
thus far, 'honesty', and I have been carrying on a very civilized conversation.
And again, man, you have declared war on and insulted every single person who posts in this forum.
As you say that I am miserable, demeaning, rude, and a know it all, feel free to read anyone of YOUR posts. there is absolutly no limits to the extent to which you are rude, demeaning, and a know it all, and to me that, I may add, projects misery.
I admit I am not perfect. i know few who are, but you consistantly act like a dick, while 'honesty' eggs you on.
Everyone who got something out of Daytop & changed there lives, drank the cool-aid right?
Again, I have no clue what you are talking about. I 've never known kool aid to be the determining factor ofanyone's life, and I guess I'm just not in on the inside joke. Personally, I don't think I could make much use of it anyway.
Only bad people like Daytop, right?
I never actually said that. I wonder if you are the guy, who wrote that post looking for friends, and got the response " whatever idiot"
If so, I did not write that, nor did I approve it.
All people who went through daytop have little education,
I never said that, either. I honestly do not know where you are coming up with all of this. there were many very well educated people in Daytop. I do not consider that the issue. Education is not a safeguard against anything necessarily. As a matter of fact, the education system for youths, emphasises conformity in many ways, and often is one of the foot holds, that is used in Daytop to push the process further. Religion is another. .. and I have also realised that the program works much better on Christains then on jews, which I guess makes sense, as it was designed by a monsignor
and just to go a bit further, I would like to state this, and hope that somebody actually gets it:
Reguardless of what a counselors intention may or may not be, Daytop utilises a person's pre-existing irrationalities, to get what they want, which whe the picture result is a good thing or not, can only make a person worse. You cannot fix a problem by making it worse.
I do not think that drugs are the problem. I beleive that irrationalities are the problem, and hard core drug usage is one of the many manifestations of these irrationalities.
I say that if the irrationalities are dealt with, the drug problem and most likely many other problems will fall away as a matter of course. daytop does not think like this. They beleive that their mission is so good and so important that any expediency is just as well. After all without them we would end up dead, on the streets or in jail.
They utilise your irrationalities and deepen them. they deepen and the root cause of the drug problem in order to get rid of it. They use the same problems of the person that get them into drugs to get them off, but there will always be a negative side-effect worse then the original problem. Every time!
never left,
I never said this either, but it is sometimes true, metaphorically speaking
are brainwashed,
often in a manner of speaking
are involved in a cult,
was previously involved in a place that can best be defined as a cult - yes.
are evil,
Occasionally.
but generally speaking man. I do not make a habit of attacking people who fall victim to daytop. though I resented them at the time, massively. i now usually lean more towards the side of feeling a bit bad for them
.. but now if they start attacking me, then yes i am looking to kick some ass back
work at hurting people not helping them.....right?
unfortunatly "yes". i am not saying that that is what all of them are attempting to do. Some are doing their best according to the only philosophy they have. It just doesn't work, because there philosophy is wrong, harmful, and destructive, because it has no regard whatsoever for reality. It is more like a superstition.
Wrong!
"Wrong!"
Wow. That's a great point. You have me rethinking my whole outlook. You may get a bit further, not just with me, but with anyone and anything, if you actually explained some of you conclusions, rather just exclaiming them like an emotional child.
Go ahead now throw "your tantrum".
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Consider it thrown
Paul St. John
Paul St. John:
--- Quote from: ""odie"" ---Paul, if that's really you I was just wondering why you aren't signing in and using the guest entrance?
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It's me Odie .. How are ya?
odie:
I'm doing great Paul, the further I get away from that cesspool called Daytop the better I become. I just questioned if that was you posting or someone using your style of writing in here.
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