I see you have difficulty being open. You project your frustration. I have no issue debating the facts. I apologize for a typo in my last post, when I stated ?Why are you so negative and derogatory? Do you have some things I want you to process?? I wanted to say did you have some things you wanted to process. Yes the issue is alternatives. As you say and I agree people are welcome to not agree with or have continued poor thoughts of Daytop or any TC. Yes they should post them and explain why they feel this way. At the same time they have a responsibility to give alternatives. I don?t, nor does anyone else have to agree. I may not agree with someone?s recommendation, but that does not make it wrong. I have never claimed to be an expert. So please don?t put words in my mouth. I don?t think I have all the answers either. I do have an issue with posters making false statements. Daytop is not for everyone! Nobody has ever claimed this. Daytop is and has always been a voluntary program. Regardless of why someone chooses or was sent to Daytop they have the option to leave. They also must deal with the consequences the decision to leave. It?s not Daytop?s fault if those consequences are not good.
One thing was said, and then contradicted almost moments later. I can only speak from my own personal experience. There really was no emphasis on self-honesty, because people were pften scared to say what they really felt or thought, and honesty without others, was not based on teaching a person reasons why this would be a good thing to do, but rather, was indoctrinated through a punishment/reward system, which I say is not growth, but rather molding, and an obstruction to growth. I am trying to think and I really do not remeber much about setting goals either. I do however remember people being told what their goals should be, and being told that they needed to work towards them, in order to no lo0nger be a dopefiene, and in order to be accepted.
I?m sorry you missed the boat. Daytop always stressed the need for self- honesty and they still do. In order to be honest with yourself you may have to hear things you don?t like or that are difficult. If you gave in to your own fears that again is not Daytop?s fault. It is possible that at the time you were not ready to face the facts. As for Goals, Daytop did set goals for people and yes it was to get away from the dopefiene lifestyle. Once that was accomplished Daytop would encourage individuals to set and works towards whatever goals they set. At times individuals set un-realistic goals, and yes the staff would work with them to change these goals. It is not realistic for individuals to think that they can play for professional sports team if they can?t swing a bat or throw a ball. In addition it would be highly unlikely for a 40 year old male to get a contract for a professional sports team.
What I posed earlier is the idea that the program, in order to be considerred of value, should be of overall benefit to at least the majority of the individuals who have recieved the treatment model. Do you agree here? Cause to say that they overall benefit is in the productive individuals who made the program work is like saying put 100 people in a bad situation and if a few come out doing good, then it was an overall benefit, or as you phrased the few come out doing well contain the overall benefit. It just doesn t sound like it makes any sense to me. It may sound good at first glance, but I am not sure that it actually makes any sense? Whatcha think?
This is a complex question. If an agency was getting referrals for heart patients and they are only equipped to deal with lung issues then the majority of the patients would fail in terms of positive outcomes. So the answer is not that easy. I do agree however that the majority of individuals sent to agency should benefit in some way. The problem I have and maybe you can answer it is How do you define success? It?s not easy. I don?t have an answer for it. I do believe that this is where the major debate comes in. But the fact is individuals do benefit from Daytop and the TC model.
As for Eighty 8, don?t stop fighting for what you believe
He's not even making sense, and you know it. He is making a fool of himself. Why would you encourage him? Is this a form of help too? He does make sense. You just don?t agree with him. That does not make him wrong.