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Anonymous:
Odie, You are correct. I did attack 3 separate individuals. I was inappropriate for doing so. I was angry. I assumed you were fired and based on what you say I was wrong. My affiliation was as an employee. I worked at Daytop for 13 or so years. As I stated before I did not agree with many things. I also did not feel I was treated fairly at some points. I chose to leave and pursue other things. This aside, the program did help many people. I know as you do that individuals were able to get clean and begin to lead a productive life. That's what is important. My only issue with most of the postings on this site is that both sides are not accurately portrayed. No the program does not work for some individuals, but it certainly does for others. That needs to be represented. The attacks are OK, but at least acknowledge the success. I read postings that portray only the negative. How about the individuals who are today clean and sober and being productive. Some want to say they did this despite Daytop. Totally incorrect. Yes, the individual was the one who changed. The program didn't. But the individual likely would not have unless they received guidance and support from the program. The intent of the agency is to help people. Amazingly they do. Not everyone but a lot of people. Instead of the Daytop bashing, give people other alternatives. If you so disagree with the Daytop program or the TC concept suggest something else or specific agencies that can help. I was asked to provide data and results. I did. No not specific to just Daytop, but the TC concept. Yes this can be dissected and anyone can find data that says the opposite. I also know as you do that Daytop has conducted numerous outcome studies. They show success, and Yes this can also be argued. Let's face it the program works. Not for everyone, but for some. That is what should be represented. Not lies and false statements. DJ, can quote whomever he/she wants. They can also claim whatever they want. But as soon as anyone argues the point they are either uneducated or mentally challenged and I have to argue that. Just because someone does not have a license or a advanced education does not mean they are less then anyone else. It's sad that someone who was allegedly helping people does not believe that they can change. In addition DJ never offers alternatives to help people. SO, I was wrong and I apologize for falsely accusing some individuals. The Truth is the gateway to freedom.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---I also know as you do that Daytop has conducted numerous outcome studies.
--- End quote ---
Post the results or move on to the next topic. Show evidence for your claims. Your credibility is zero.
First you slander poster after poster claiming they were "fired" that they're "angry" and "outdated." The truth of the matter is that these things apply to you.
You admit to projecting your anger on everyone else("puking" on them), admit you're angry and it wouldn't surprise me to know that it was actually you who had been fired. Anyone who employs the Daytop methodology is necessarily "outdated" (Synanon is dead and it's abusive methods live on at Daytop.
So, stop projecting your own nonsense on others and support your (very, very weak) argument with data or be dismissed as a kook.
Anonymous:
says honesty,"You claim this and that, but have never proven anything. So lets start talking about the facts Mr.Dysfunction Junction. Anyone can make claims, You have to prove them and you have not. "
You assert that Daytop works. You are a spokesperson for the object that is Daytop. It is actually up to you to prove your side. As a matter of fact, everybody else could just sit back and watch if they so chose, because they have no obligation to disprove efficacy of Daytop. The obligation of proof is entirely on you. You offer all your proof that the program is in fact efficient, and then discussion can begin from there. First you have to prove it. then y6ou have to defend your position against rational scrunity, and if you are not prepared to do this, you may as well just move on with your life.
0n a sidenote, I couldn't persanally care less, if you prove that some people find their sobriety through TC's or Daytop.
I would like to see you prove that Daytop is an overall benefit reguardless of whether a person continues to use drugs or not, to the majority of it's participants.
I would like to see it proven that a person leaves daytop with more honesty then they enterred, to steal from your name.
I would like to see it proven that people leave Daytop better off then they went in.
If it has an overall positive effect on it's participants, then it is good and to steal from Daytop terminology, valid.
If not, then it is bad and unnecessary.
I am not only interested in whatever benefits that may come from participating in a Daytop program, but also at what cost those benefits come.
Also, I would like to be told not what the principles of Daytop or a TC are, but why they work, and what their purpose is. These explanations should either be sound and clearly logical, and obvious , so that anyone can understand them, or still sound and logical, but also backed by evidence.
I would like to see this done without refraining to contradictions, mysterious dead end concepts, usage of words such as "babies", and dopefienes. Everything should be backed with sound logic.
You cannot do it, and this is because it is impossible to do. I have seen counselors try a few times, 'til they would finally get too frustrated and go into emotional outbursts, and then attack the motive of the person who made the inquiry.
I say that the TC model is severly and disgustingly outdated, and your mind has to be knumb in quite a few places in order to practice it.
All the same anyone who wishes can join a TC or run around touting their benefits. Hell you can build your own TC if you want, or jerk off to a statue of the monsignor. None of it is of concern to me. What bothers me is that teenager's are forcefully held in these places. It would bother me to if adults were forcefull held in these places, but that does not happenned, as the rights of an adult are protected.
Later,
Paul St. Jophn
Anonymous:
I have never seen so many people in need of therapy since i was a kid in daytop. So miserable and sadly inappropriate. i originally came to see about old friends and all i see is BS. cut the crap grow up & find someone else to pick on punks, especially st john, u phony, learn how to spell, go back to school & therapy, you'd be better off, you are a fool. cut the crap & grow up u bunch of 5yr old babies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In 1982 treatment sucked, but that was because i was a selfish punk, who needed to get a good ass kicking. Treatment helped because it was better than jail or dying in the street, grow up & face the facts, there are many way worse places than DAYTOP, FOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLSSSS!!!!!!
Oh & by the way, I have a masters in social work, a license to practice social work, teach college and have over twenty years in the field. Good luck jerks, go get laid or something!!
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---i was a selfish punk, who needed to get a good ass kicking.
--- End quote ---
and you still do. inappropriateness? spelling? get laid? jerks?
and you're a SOCIAL WORKER? sure, buddy, sure. you've been to as many college classes as my cat and you're probably not nearly as smart.
this poster is full of bologna (and probably crack and dope, too)!
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