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odie:
--- Quote from: ""Honesty"" ---The link to the study or research on the efficacy of Daytop is: http://wwf.fornits.com. My proof that Daytop works is Odie.
I'm sure I could research Daytop and come back with a number of studies saying one thing or another, You will find something wrong with it. My only to question to you all is to define success? Odie is living proof that daytop works as are a number of people who posted on this site. Odie, I'm still waiting for the info on Chapel Hill.
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No actually Odie is living proof that once you leave Daytop you can see it for what it really is. I succeeded in life not because of Daytop but of all the hard work I did and continue to do. If you want to call warehousing people until they clean themselves up and look real good on the outside a measure of success then yes Daytop can work for some people, usually only the ones that are on death's doorstep to begin with as I was.
As far as Chappell Hill is concerned that was one of the bigger messes that Daytop got into. They opened that adolescent Texas facility in 1991 and lost their license in 1994. It had a wonderful history from hiring a wanted felon (child molestor), to a director that was caught lying on video tape at a community meeting about staff having firearms on the property. Then there were the many runaways that caused damage to neighbors' property including stealing the local Fire Chief's car. Oh and I'd be remiss to forget the assaults on kids by staff. All in all a place that Daytop would very much like to forget.
Anonymous:
Odie, I'm very happy for your continued success. No matter what the reason or method, is that you changed the fact is that you did. I'm also sure Daytop assisted in some way. That's the issue. You seem to have had some good experiences as well as bad. Both should be discussed. Yes, Daytop has made mistakes. No body denies that. The issue is that they try and do help people. I?m very sure that Daytop did not plan to go to Texas, New York, Florida or anywhere else with a master plan to hurt people. Just like in a hospital or other types of treatment, some individuals make poor decisions. The intent of the program is what?s important. When issues arise they must be addressed. The fact is Daytop has addressed them and has also made numerous changes to better the program. This you know and can?t deny. I believe the common practice to treat lepers was to place them in isolation; to treat mental illness was to hospitalize people or hide them away. Shock Therapy was at one time considered appropriate treatment.
Now to address the question of clinical trials. Numerous studies have been done on both an Internal and external basis. You are correct in saying that the longer you stay in treatment the better the outcome. In fact that is what Daytop has been saying for years. I found numerous sites that back this information up (http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReport ... fault.html, http://www.substanceabusepolicy.com/content/1/1/3, http://www.drugabuse.gov/pdf/monographs/144.pdf. More can be listed, but I will not waste my time since no matter what they say; you, I?m sure will argue it. Oh, and yes, you can find numerous studies to counter these findings. The issue in the field is how to define success? This question must first be answered to achieve a true study of success.
Anonymous:
neither article can be found :question:
Troll Control:
And neither has to do with Daytop. My question: After decades in "the business," why hasn't Daytop ever conducted a single, solitary study of their outcomes?
My suspicion is because they keep no data and have no interest in exposing anything about themselves to public scrutiny. They keep their mouths shut because if they don't there will be no denying that they are full of bologna, to put it nicely.
Anonymous:
Well if you have decades in the business then should know that in order for an outcome study to be proven accurate it must be conducted by an independent party. These articles speak directly to the TC Concept. Daytop has done many outcome studies that report very successful numbers. I know that quoting these will only solicit a response from YOU saying they are lying. So let's look at the whole picture. The reports that I listed speak about the TC concept and treatment method. The national average for positive outcomes is in the 34 - 39 percentile for success. Both the medical model and behavioral model are very similar in numbers. Daytop and for that matter TC's have a higher rate of success. These reports acknowledge that. The issue with outcomes and Substance abuse treatment is how to define success. If a person enters treatment and they had previously been committing crimes (Robbery, Theft etc) and using on a Dailey basis (Heroin, Cocaine). After treatment they remain Substance free for 5 - 10 years, are employed paying taxes and being productive. Then have a set back on marijuana 1 time. Are these people a failure. If they never commit a new crime and maintain some level of being responsible are they a failure. Mr. Know it all answer that. Give your description of success.
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