Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
Scary Larry back on campus!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---So it a Hyde diploma an indication of character?
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Theoretically, yes. However, character appears to be ascertained by a student's "obedience" and "compliance" to the "authority" that is Hyde.
It is not sufficient, nor even applicable, if a student himself, or his or her parents, feel that "character growth" has been achieved. The determination is made strictly by Hyde.
If Hyde feels a student made insufficient character growth, and they can not convince the parents to fork up the additional $45,000 for a "Senior Leadership" year, the student receives a "certificate." Some might say this is basically little more than a GED, with a Hyde label on it. In some cases, the student came back for the additional so-called Leadership year, and still only got a certificate.
Periodically, Hyde has purges, in which students are expelled for very nebulous so-called character issues. Things that no public school in its right mind would consider doing, as it could never stand up in court. Situations where no crime was committed, no egregious acts against the school were undertaken, and where academic progress was more than sufficient. The problem? Hyde doesn't like the student's "attitude," even in circumstances where the student fervently desires to stay at Hyde and has been trying their best. These students get nothing.
It would appear that there are personal likes and dislikes on the part of Hyde administrators, and that these likes and dislikes have more to do with the assessment of "character" than the school would have one to believe.
Anonymous:
I talked to a kid ( now adult) that should have been in my graduating class. He said he was encouraged to "run away" by Henry Milton. I wonder if there is evidence of that still happening. It sound like they turn the screws to kids that they think they can make jump to skew the numbers of college placement.
To be fair Old Henry is not around to defend himself. I hear he is down south some where. At least there is no ice to push kids on in fla.
It may be self serving, but I think is some cases resistance to hyde is a better indication of character then graduation. To be clear: I respect many of the people that I attended with , the ones that graduated ,the ones that did not and the ones that ran away too. I think it is important to differentiate between the system and the people in it. My opinion is there was/is something fundamentally wrong with the system.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I talked to a kid ( now adult) that should have been in my graduating class. He said he was encouraged to "run away" by Henry Milton. I wonder if there is evidence of that still happening. It sound like they turn the screws to kids that they think they can make jump to skew the numbers of college placement.
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Oh, I think they use several methods. The purges are part of that (the purges are also used for other reasons). There is also something to making life so difficult for some kids that the parents take the kids out for fear of the kid's psychological safety.
And I think they get rid of kids for more reasons than just college placement. E.g., SF, who I don't believe would have had much difficulty in that department. Don't know about the Dubinsky case, but whether or not the parents pulled that girl out or Hyde got rid of her by making her life pure hell is probably a moot point. The image of that now former student yelling out "Get out while you can!" while Billy Procida was conducting a tour with some prospective student and his/her parents also comes to mind...
--- Quote ---It may be self serving, but I think is some cases resistance to hyde is a better indication of character then graduation. To be clear: I respect many of the people that I attended with , the ones that graduated ,the ones that did not and the ones that ran away too. I think it is important to differentiate between the system and the people in it. My opinion is there was/is something fundamentally wrong with the system.
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I totally agree.
In addition to there being something fundamentally wrong with the system, I also think that the system is capriciously applied. Whether that is by design, for reasons of overriding issues, or by incompetence or personal likes and dislikes, or a combination of all of the above, is not clear. I'm rather inclined to believe it to be a combination of the above.
This is why you have:
* kids who get a diploma who fully deserve a diploma;
* kids who get a diploma who no way in hell deserve a diploma;
* kids who deserve a diploma who don't get one;
* kids who deserve a diploma who get expelled instead;
* kids who don't deserve a diploma who don't get one;
* kids who deserve to get expelled who don't get expelled;
* kids who deserve to get expelled who do get expelled.
There is only a smidgeon of justice running through all of this and the exceptions to so-called rules are too numerous to mention. Though I will mention your (?) bringing up Joanie Gallo as one that comes to mind of someone who should have gotten one, but did not (at the time).
What is so utterly destructive about all this is that Hyde passes itself off as the be-all/end-all of character assessment, and if you and/or your kid believe this, and also fall at the short end of that stick... there is the risk of some serious psychological damage, in my humble estimation.
They are fond of saying that if you can't make it at Hyde, you can't make it anywhere... didn't Vanda bring that up again when she went back for her diploma? I'm trying to remember the true origin of that phrase, that is not a Joe Gauld original, although they do try to convey that impression now, don't they...
Anonymous:
Joan Gallo, Yes I agree.
Jesus H Christ:
--- Quote from: ""Ursus"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I talked to a kid ( now adult) that should have been in my graduating class. He said he was encouraged to "run away" by Henry Milton. I wonder if there is evidence of that still happening. It sound like they turn the screws to kids that they think they can make jump to skew the numbers of college placement.
--- End quote ---
Oh, I think they use several methods. The purges are part of that (the purges are also used for other reasons). There is also something to making life so difficult for some kids that the parents take the kids out for fear of the kid's psychological safety.
And I think they get rid of kids for more reasons than just college placement. E.g., SF, who I don't believe would have had much difficulty in that department. Don't know about the Dubinsky case, but whether or not the parents pulled that girl out or Hyde got rid of her by making her life pure hell is probably a moot point. The image of that now former student yelling out "Get out while you can!" while Billy Procida was conducting a tour with some prospective student and his/her parents also comes to mind...
--- Quote ---It may be self serving, but I think is some cases resistance to hyde is a better indication of character then graduation. To be clear: I respect many of the people that I attended with , the ones that graduated ,the ones that did not and the ones that ran away too. I think it is important to differentiate between the system and the people in it. My opinion is there was/is something fundamentally wrong with the system.
--- End quote ---
I totally agree.
In addition to there being something fundamentally wrong with the system, I also think that the system is capriciously applied. Whether that is by design, for reasons of overriding issues, or by incompetence or personal likes and dislikes, or a combination of all of the above, is not clear. I'm rather inclined to believe it to be a combination of the above.
This is why you have:
* kids who get a diploma who fully deserve a diploma;
* kids who get a diploma who no way in hell deserve a diploma;
* kids who deserve a diploma who don't get one;
* kids who deserve a diploma who get expelled instead;
* kids who don't deserve a diploma who don't get one;
* kids who deserve to get expelled who don't get expelled;
* kids who deserve to get expelled who do get expelled.
There is only a smidgeon of justice running through all of this and the exceptions to so-called rules are too numerous to mention. Though I will mention your (?) bringing up Joanie Gallo as one that comes to mind of someone who should have gotten one, but did not (at the time).
What is so utterly destructive about all this is that Hyde passes itself off as the be-all/end-all of character assessment, and if you and/or your kid believe this, and also fall at the short end of that stick... there is the risk of some serious psychological damage, in my humble estimation.
They are fond of saying that if you can't make it at Hyde, you can't make it anywhere... didn't Vanda bring that up again when she went back for her diploma? I'm trying to remember the true origin of that phrase, that is not a Joe Gauld original, although they do try to convey that impression now, don't they...
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The one thing I can remeber Vanda saying is " I figured I should get a diploma since Hyde was asking me for money"
Joe looked like he was going to have a fit when the guy from New York was giving his speech. Some prejudices die hard, some never die,
Joan's story was astonishing. I was sitting there thinking "how did this woman walk out with out a diploma"
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