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« Reply #255 on: April 28, 2007, 07:44:46 AM »
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I'm unqualified to judge here; I'm just working with the given materials. But as I understand your article, character education is not beyond the realm of possibility.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, particularly when they have put as much work into articulating it as you obviously have. However, given the current trends in education, not to mention society as a whole, I find the term "character education" a cliche'ed oxymoron at best. At its less than best, it's a catchy misnomer dressing up atavistic and control-oriented behavior modification programs that use thought coercion to do the job that a smack on the hands with a ruler by a nun used to do. At least it was clear what the smack, in fact, was. Behavior mod is less obvious, and has the potential to do some real and long-lasting psychological damage because it fucks with your mind, not with your knuckles.

  Is character education possible?   Well if your institution defines what it is, as does Hyde,  then uses a secret formula to decide if that education has been absorbed by the student, as does Hyde, and then make no effort to track the long term effects of said education, as Hyde assiduously avoids doing, then yes it is.

  What is character education?  Can you define it?  Can you describe a method to measure it?   ................  Didn't think so.

I think that it's done on a case-by-case basis. If you were an introvert as an incoming student, then character education is extroversion. If you were rebellious, then its compliance. If you were a substance abuser, then it's sobriety. Along with a general ability to follow the rules.

Needless to say, Hyde does not seek to develop students in the other direction! So extroversion, compliance, and sobriety mark off some of the territory of "character education," but not introversion, rebelliousness, or dependency. Unfortunately, character education does not include many admirable qualities that are deemed too close to the undesirable qualities. Thus, reticence, critical thinking, or curiosity put a student beyond the pale of character education. So, there exists a definition of character education, even if it's not the one that Hyde attempts to capture in its five concepts.

Afterthought: the reticent, critical, and curious student will not get a diploma --- I should know! --- not only because those qualities are too close to undesirable, but because they are ingredients of the "ego control" discussed above.  If Hyde is to work, it must begin to incorporate those qualities into character education.


  So basically your problem with Hyde is that they did not recognize your character development.   You believe in Hyde or something Hyde like in the abstract, but in specific Hyde is faulty in not acknowledging  the validity of your experience.  

You can fix that.  Hyde will give you a diploma.   Bob was in your dorm at summer school send him an email.

http://www.hyde.edu/podium/default.aspx?t=40143
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« Reply #256 on: April 28, 2007, 08:10:24 AM »
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All of the more or less benign forms of ego regression cited in the introduction used a small number of players:
  • parent and child
  • two parties in love
  • self and artistic revelation

NONE of these examples of more or less benign forms of ego regression utilized the effect of group-with-vested-interests on individual.  That is because this latter dynamic is inherent in the development of a cult.


We join coalitions to maximize our utility, that is, to further our individual interests. Are you a member of a school board, a union, a political party, a lobby, a stock, a partnership? Lifespring, Hyde, and cults are indeed coalitions, but they constitute a pathological subset and do not characterize all coalitions. I believe that Hyde could join the family of coalitions that are benefical to its their members and benefitted by their members, as sketched out above.
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« Reply #257 on: April 28, 2007, 08:15:43 AM »
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So basically your problem with Hyde is that they did not recognize your character development. You believe in Hyde or something Hyde like in the abstract, but in specific Hyde is faulty in not acknowledging the validity of your experience.  

You can fix that.  Hyde will give you a diploma. Bob was in your dorm at summer school send him an email.

I need a Hyde diploma like a fish needs a bicycle.
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« Reply #258 on: April 28, 2007, 08:30:03 AM »
"Well then," he continued, "solutions are needed.  New ways of living must be devised, new institutions built within which people can organize their lives.  The family is collapsing in this country, and that's the only instrument we've had for providing love and security and training in fundamental values.  The schools don't do that; they're designed only to teach skills.  They can't teach wisdom, good sense, decision making, even if they pretend otherwise.  The churches can't--not in one hour per weekend.  And in any case, the churches are dying.  If the society can't transmit its values, people are going to tear each other apart.  They're already beginning to."

Mark looked for a moment at the settlement laid out below us and tugged at his overall's strap.  "This is almost too much for your first day; I'm only beginning to get a grasp of the Synanon idea myself.  But I didn't want you to think of Synanon as just some sort of repair shop for dope fiends or other kinds of people with broken heads.  Drug addition is only a symptom.  The real disease is 'character disorder,' a condition of psychological and spiritual malnutrition.  Synanon doesn't cure addiction.  It heals character disorder by taking dope fiends into a morally and psychologically nourishing environment.  That's the important work.  A recovered dope fiend, or for that matter," he smiled, "a fulfilled graudate student is just a by-product."


From:  Paradise, Incorporated:  Synanon; A Personal Account by David U. Gerstel; 1982, Presidio Press
This conversation allegedly takes place in October, 1969; Synanon was begun in 1958.
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« Reply #259 on: April 28, 2007, 08:48:42 AM »
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So basically your problem with Hyde is that they did not recognize your character development. You believe in Hyde or something Hyde like in the abstract, but in specific Hyde is faulty in not acknowledging the validity of your experience.  

You can fix that.  Hyde will give you a diploma. Bob was in your dorm at summer school send him an email.

I need a Hyde diploma like a fish needs a bicycle.


  Hey Irena,

  You know that something is holding you back. You can feel it. You know that in many ways you feel yourself a failure.  It is because you leave things undone.  You need to get right with yourself.  You need to take the place in your life that you know that you deserve. You need to take power, to control your destiny your unique potential. As Joe said, "never make a decision based on fear", the fear that Hyde will reject you again,  Step to the challenge and change your life,  for the better, for ever.  Contact Bob Today!

http://www.hyde.edu/podium/default.aspx?t=204
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« Reply #260 on: April 28, 2007, 09:20:02 AM »
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So basically your problem with Hyde is that they did not recognize your character development. You believe in Hyde or something Hyde like in the abstract, but in specific Hyde is faulty in not acknowledging the validity of your experience.  

You can fix that.  Hyde will give you a diploma. Bob was in your dorm at summer school send him an email.

I need a Hyde diploma like a fish needs a bicycle.

  Hey Irena,

  You know that something is holding you back. You can feel it. You know that in many ways you feel yourself a failure.  It is because you leave things undone.  I want you to get right with yourself.  I want you to take the place in your life that you know that you deserve. I want you to take power, to control your destiny your unique potential. As Joe said, "never make a decision based on fear", the fear that Hyde will reject you again,  Step to the challenge and change your life,  for the better, for ever.  Contact Bob Today!

http://www.hyde.edu/podium/default.aspx?t=204


Found a great pic of a fish on a bike. Too illiterate to copy it here.
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« Reply #261 on: April 28, 2007, 09:40:28 AM »
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« Reply #262 on: April 28, 2007, 09:44:13 AM »
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« Reply #263 on: April 28, 2007, 09:55:52 AM »
Very attractive fish, especially using the subSilver theme.  Wonder what it would look like in Acid Tech?  Mmmm....
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« Reply #264 on: April 28, 2007, 10:02:06 AM »
How far to Bath?
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« Reply #265 on: April 28, 2007, 10:10:29 AM »
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Very attractive fish, especially using the subSilver theme.  Wonder what it would look like in Acid Tech?  Mmmm....



  Beats me.  The whole thing would work better on linux.  I would never put a MySQL backend on a windows box.
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« Reply #266 on: April 28, 2007, 10:10:46 AM »
AcidTechEx and AcidTechBloodEx give a bluish silver fish with black (outlined in silver) highlights on a dark brown background.

BrinkOfInsanity gives a grayish silver and black fish on a medium light blue background.

GreenTech gives a primarily gray and black fish on a pale green background.

subSilver gives a primarily gray and black fish on a pale blue or mauve background, depending on whether it is an even or an odd-numbered post (depends on your browser too)...

I didn't check the default Fornits theme, but I imagine it is brown?
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« Reply #267 on: April 28, 2007, 10:12:59 AM »
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  Sweet, so you are going to do it!   I will be there and give you a hug after your speech and we both can cry.
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« Reply #268 on: April 28, 2007, 10:49:00 AM »
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Beats me.  The whole thing would work better on linux.  I would never put a MySQL backend on a windows box.


This is totally outside of my realm, but I do believe that it used to be on a Unix-based system not all that long ago.   However, there were a variety of hosting problems with one company or another, until Kelly agreed to take it over.  Kelly is Microsoft-based due to the fact that her other clients want that.  So it was switched from MySQL to MSSQL 2005; we are not on MySQL any more...
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« Reply #269 on: April 28, 2007, 01:40:11 PM »
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Beats me.  The whole thing would work better on linux.  I would never put a MySQL backend on a windows box.

This is totally outside of my realm, but I do believe that it used to be on a Unix-based system not all that long ago.   However, there were a variety of hosting problems with one company or another, until Kelly agreed to take it over.  Kelly is Microsoft-based due to the fact that her other clients want that.  So it was switched from MySQL to MSSQL 2005; we are not on MySQL any more...


  The day Microsoft makes a product that does not suck is that day microsoft makes vacuums.
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