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Deborah:
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kid_thorazine:
although I am strongly against programs like HLA that statistic is flawed, because not only are there a lot more people in public schools than in programs but when you look at a program you are targeting a group that is more likely to commit suicide or kill another person anyway. of course you could argue that putting a whole bunch of suicidal and or violent people in a program that pisses them off and doesnt supervise them very well is a bad thing (and i would most certainly agree with you) Also kids dont live in public schools and im assuming you arent counting teen deaths that dont occur on school property in that statistic Comparing the  ammount of deaths at a public school to the amount of deaths at a residential program seems to me to be a logically flawed argument if only because the circumstances that people are under in each situation are so radically different.

Deborah:
***of course you could argue that putting a whole bunch of suicidal and or violent people in a program that pisses them off and doesnt supervise them very well is a bad thing (and i would most certainly agree with you)

There are studies to indicate that the aggregation of distressed teens is not effective or desirable.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#190143

"Bait and Punish" is not therapy... it's manipulation, coercion, and damages trust.

One of the pitches I heard at the parent workshop was "Take a second mortgage. Borrow from grandparents. Cash in the college fund- might never use it without a program. Do what it takes, because you can't watch them 24/7. We can." They should, if that's what they're selling. For $50K a year, the risk of death and serious injury should be near zero.

It is comparing apples to oranges. I didn't set out to prove anything, just responded to someone's persistent musing that programs are safer than public schools. Having personally known 6 people who survived programs, and one who didn't, I think I'd take my chances with public school.

I'm not sure the vast majority of teens in programs are far worse off than kids in public school. Their parents perceive them to be and have the resource to warehouse them while they mature. And, it's highly doubtful that those with severe distress are going to be helped in a program. Did you meet many suicidal or violent kids that appreciated their parents for sending them there for help? Having your every thought and action laid out for criticism and punishment 24/7 is enough to cause some to feel suicidal.

kid_thorazine:
yeah im sure that some of the people that acted out violently within the program probably did it because of being in the program, because really one thing that ive seen is that for whatever the type of brainwashing they employ at theese schools doesnt seem to work particularly well IMO its because teens  tend to be very hard headed and set in their ideals or even just have the urge to not obey atourity for the hell of it,  no mater what you do you arent going to break a lot of them, and the ones that do break have a tendecy to either becom puppets or the act out violently towards themselves or others.  Hell i know onbe girl who actually started cutting because of HLA and that is seriously fucked up.

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--- Quote ---O5, you really should use this time to educate yourself before opening your own program. What might the damages be when you allow the janitor to distribute meds and a kid dies?
BTW, what's your interest in HLA? Just that it's a CEDU spin-off?

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I'd read up on Anne before I listened to anything she has to say.  Look, she's here saying it's OK for a TBS to have no licensed counselors, no licensed teachers and no healthcare.  What does that tell you about how she values children, especially the most vulnerable among them?

This is aside from the fact that she knows absolutely nothing about HLA and is here only as a blind supporter of all programs, even ones with staff convicted of criminal child abuse and ones forced to shut down from abuse cases like CEDU (she fancies Mel Wasserman - total quack - as a mentor/guru).  She is a mentally ill person in need of some help of her own.

Don't believe me, read up on her yourself.  Even her collegues from work say she's severely disturbed and sociopathic.

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