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ASR
Troll Control:
These are the only objectively verifiable facts so far in this thread:
--- Quote ---1. ASR is classified by the state. They are classified as a "Special Education School".
2. ASR does not employ any licensed teachers nor any special educators, so they remain "unapproved" by the state.
3. ASR does not appear in the Mohawk Trails Regional School District's comprehensive review for 2007 which indicates their "partnership" with the district has ended in 2007.
4. ASR remains unaccredited and is legally barred by the state from issuing state sanctioned diplomas.
The other licensing issues will be hammered out through a state investigation. For now, all we can really be sure of is that ASR is already classified by the state as "Special Education" and that ASR fails to meet the minimum standards prescribed under law.
The other assertions will have to be examined by the state, although, historically speaking, these investigations result in so-called "TBS's" being forced to license as RTC's or RCF's, so the odds-on favorite is exactly that - that, at the end of the day, ASR will be forced to license or close like many others that followed the same path.
We'll have to see how it plays out...
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This is reasonable and accurate.
Troll Control:
Another fact about an ASR "diploma":
Massachusetts law requires that in order to recieve a legal, state issued diploma the student must take and pass the MCAS (Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System) tests.
ASR does not provide MCAS testing and therefore any "diploma they confer on a student is, by definition, not state sanctioned or recognized.
TheWho:
Okay lets get back to it… just like when you said they had no licensed counselors…tsk tsk tsk…I had to provide the proof... you always make me do all the work, Ha,Ha,Ha, … we don’t hear those claims anymore do we, wonder why?
Okay, lets take a look at your list again:
--- Quote ---1.ASR is classified by the state. They are classified as a "Special Education School".
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Yes but they meet all the requirements as laid down by the state.
Here call: Department of Education's Program Quality Assurance Services Unit (781) 338-3700
“Approval of Public and Private Day and Residential Special Education School Programs
(1) Approval from the Department. The Department may grant approval to public and private day and residential schools providing special education services (special education schools) in Massachusetts in order to ensure that a continuum of special education programs is available to Massachusetts students with disabilities. Approval shall be granted by the Department in accordance with the provisions of 603 CMR 28.09. Upon receipt of approval special education schools are eligible to enroll publicly funded Massachusetts eligible students.
ASR never applied for this status and therefore the laws and regulations beyond this do not apply. So they are classified, by the state, as a Special ed school. But never sought approval in order to receive public funding because they want to stay private. Call the number above.
--- Quote ---2. ASR does not employ any licensed teachers nor any special educators, so they remain "unapproved" by the state.
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Big one… ASR employees licensed teachers !! oh no, what do we do now?
Check it out for yourselves, there is a phone number you can call:
http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588
--- Quote ---3. ASR does not appear in the Mohawk Trails Regional School District's comprehensive review for 2007 which indicates their "partnership" with the district has ended in 2007.
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no, just means they haven’t talk about it yet , nice try though….
--- Quote ---4. ASR remains unaccredited and is legally barred by the state from issuing state sanctioned diplomas.
--- End quote ---
Wrong again……ASR hands out diplomas via the laws of the state of Massachusetts. Check it out they are a school:
http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/search.asp ... e&town=114
So the only thing that remains is how to define ASR. We all know they are a Therapeutic Boarding school (TBS). But how should the state handle this?
---Should they continue to classify them as a “Special education school” with special status (Hybrid)?
---Should they define requirements specific to TBS’s?
---Should they allow them to operate the way they have been for the past decade (considering there are no complaints from the students or parents)?
.
RobertBruce:
Hey do any of the rest of you watch "The Office"?
Great show, I bring it up because I recently noticed how similar TheWho is to Dwight. Those of you who watch the show know what I'm talking about .
For example.
--- Quote ---just like when you said they had no licensed counselors…tsk tsk tsk…I had to provide the proof... you always make me do all the work, Ha,Ha,Ha,
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No Cindy, I provided the proof. You did nothing but try and take credit for it. As it stands however ASR has no licensed therapist on regular staff. They have three licensed social workers, the kids are forced to participate in therapy from unqualified staff.
--- Quote ---ASR never applied for this status and therefore the laws and regulations beyond this do not apply. So they are classified, by the state, as a Special ed school. But never sought approval in order to receive public funding because they want to stay private. Call the number above.
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So again you believe ASR is free to operate outside of the law. Is there anyway we could get a picture of you when you read theyve been forced to become licensed? Id really like to see that look on your face. As to no public funding, Cindy you are familiar with the No Child Left Behind Act correct? Has ASR recieved any funds as a result of it?
--- Quote ---Big one… ASR employees licensed teachers !! oh no, what do we do now?
Check it out for yourselves, there is a phone number you can call:
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The link DJ provided has nothing to do with the teachers being licensed. Weve already spoken with the DOE. None of the teachers at ASR are apparently licensed. Call them yourself and verify.
--- Quote ---no, just means they haven’t talk about it yet , nice try though….
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Cindy theyve had 10 years. What's the hold up?
--- Quote ---Wrong again……ASR hands out diplomas via the laws of the state of Massachusetts. Check it out they are a school:
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Again Cindy this link has nothing to do with diplomas. You yourself acknowledged they were never approved as a Special Education school. Therefore they arent actually a school and thus the diplomas are meaningless.
--- Quote ---So the only thing that remains is how to define ASR. We all know they are a Therapeutic Boarding school (TBS). But how should the state handle this?
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This wasnt what you claimed earlier. Why the sudden change of heart?
--- Quote ------Should they continue to classify them as a “Special education school” with special status (Hybrid)?
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The state never classified them as a hybrid. Which is why you cannot provide any proof suggesting as much. ASR claimed to be a special needs program that could apply for an exemption under the 30% rule. Again, call them up and verify if you like.
--- Quote ------Should they define requirements specific to TBS’s?
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Sufficent requirements are already in place. ASR has just worked very hard to avoid them.
--- Quote ------Should they allow them to operate the way they have been for the past decade (considering there are no complaints from the students or parents)?
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And how would you know that Cindy?
Looking forward to watching you evade all the tough questions again due to your own fear and cowardice.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Okay lets get back to it… just like when you said they had no licensed counselors…tsk tsk tsk…I had to provide the proof... you always make me do all the work, Ha,Ha,Ha, … we don’t hear those claims anymore do we, wonder why?
Okay, lets take a look at your list again:
--- Quote ---1.ASR is classified by the state. They are classified as a "Special Education School".
--- End quote ---
Yes but they meet all the requirements as laid down by the state.
Here call: Department of Education's Program Quality Assurance Services Unit (781) 338-3700
“Approval of Public and Private Day and Residential Special Education School Programs
(1) Approval from the Department. The Department may grant approval to public and private day and residential schools providing special education services (special education schools) in Massachusetts in order to ensure that a continuum of special education programs is available to Massachusetts students with disabilities. Approval shall be granted by the Department in accordance with the provisions of 603 CMR 28.09. Upon receipt of approval special education schools are eligible to enroll publicly funded Massachusetts eligible students.
ASR never applied for this status and therefore the laws and regulations beyond this do not apply. So they are classified, by the state, as a Special ed school. But never sought approval in order to receive public funding because they want to stay private. Call the number above.
--- Quote ---2. ASR does not employ any licensed teachers nor any special educators, so they remain "unapproved" by the state.
--- End quote ---
Big one… ASR employees licensed teachers !! oh no, what do we do now?
Check it out for yourselves, there is a phone number you can call:
http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588
--- Quote ---3. ASR does not appear in the Mohawk Trails Regional School District's comprehensive review for 2007 which indicates their "partnership" with the district has ended in 2007.
--- End quote ---
no, just means they haven’t talk about it yet , nice try though….
--- Quote ---4. ASR remains unaccredited and is legally barred by the state from issuing state sanctioned diplomas.
--- End quote ---
Wrong again……ASR hands out diplomas via the laws of the state of Massachusetts. Check it out they are a school:
http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/search.asp ... e&town=114
So the only thing that remains is how to define ASR. We all know they are a Therapeutic Boarding school (TBS). But how should the state handle this?
---Should they continue to classify them as a “Special education school” with special status (Hybrid)?
---Should they define requirements specific to TBS’s?
---Should they allow them to operate the way they have been for the past decade (considering there are no complaints from the students or parents)?
.
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You forgot "Private Boarding School"
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