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ASR
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Sorry to get everyone riled up…Ha,Ha,Ha everyone gets so serious here... just wanted to clear up that you ,I or ASR don’t determine if a child is classified as “special needs”. This is determined by the state and the state alone. We don’t know what regulations apply because ASR isn’t classified clearly in any one category, i.e Private boarding school, Special ed school, RTC, mental facility etc…….. They are a hybrid presently because there doesn’t exist a category for TBS at this time.
So the state needs to define what regulations apply before determining compliance.
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So what you're saying, essentially, is that they're outside the law?
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Well sort of...... but thinking out loud here......As a hypothetical situation. Lets say a small place opened in Boston and it served bagels and coffee. You could also read the many books they had around the Shoppe and purchase them or they would lend them to you to take home for a few days. The citys regulations state that a restaurant needs to have a minimum of 5 tables and this place doesn’t. Another person says they need to have a licensed librarian in order to lend books to the public. Another person says they should be a book store who serves food.
Which agency should they report to? Are they an evil place because they are fighting hiring a librarian? They are a great café that contributes to the neighborhood, people benefit from their services…there is no need to push to shut them down, it would be unjust.
So maybe the state decides to put them in the category of “Library” and makes a note that they aren’t approved . They would have a special status as a Hybrid between a library and a café, but not really adhering to one totally. So they wouldn’t be required to the regulations of a library and have 3 copies of “Tom Sawyer” etc.
ASR is in a similar situation:
In the state of Massachusetts they don’t have a category for Therapeutic boarding schools. So ASR fits partially under “Private Boarding school” , “Mental health facility”, “Special ed ...
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---So what you're saying, essentially, is that they're outside the law?
Well sort of...... but thinking out loud here......
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Done. Thank you Cindy, youve made your position quite clear. You believe that ASR is outside of the law and free to conduct themselves as best they see fit.
No further comment on the subject is needed from you.
Thank you for your time.
psy:
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--- Quote from: ""psy"" ---
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Sorry to get everyone riled up…Ha,Ha,Ha everyone gets so serious here... just wanted to clear up that you ,I or ASR don’t determine if a child is classified as “special needs”. This is determined by the state and the state alone. We don’t know what regulations apply because ASR isn’t classified clearly in any one category, i.e Private boarding school, Special ed school, RTC, mental facility etc…….. They are a hybrid presently because there doesn’t exist a category for TBS at this time.
So the state needs to define what regulations apply before determining compliance.
--- End quote ---
So what you're saying, essentially, is that they're outside the law?
--- End quote ---
Well sort of...... but thinking out loud here......As a hypothetical situation. Lets say a small place opened in Boston and it served bagels and coffee. You could also read the many books they had around the Shoppe and purchase them or they would lend them to you to take home for a few days. The citys regulations state that a restaurant needs to have a minimum of 5 tables and this place doesn’t. Another person says they need to have a licensed librarian in order to lend books to the public. Another person says they should be a book store who serves food.
Which agency should they report to? Are they an evil place because they are fighting hiring a librarian? They are a great café that contributes to the neighborhood, people benefit from their services…there is no need to push to shut them down, it would be unjust.
So maybe the state decides to put them in the category of “Library” and makes a note that they aren’t approved . They would have a special status as a Hybrid between a library and a café, but not really adhering to one totally. So they wouldn’t be required to the regulations of a library and have 3 copies of “Tom Sawyer” etc.
ASR is in a similar situation:
In the state of Massachusetts they don’t have a category for Therapeutic boarding schools. So ASR fits partially under “Private Boarding school” , “Mental health facility”, “Special ed ...
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Trying to figure out what category you are in.. as opposed to jumping through hoops to avoid being placed in one and/or selectively choosing (depending on who you are talking to) what catgory you are in... Very different things here. Plus: this is a place you send your kids to be "taken care of".... not a fucking bagel place. (HEY.. ya want saam lox wit ya brat?!?!)
RobertBruce:
Psy, please he has made his feelings quite clear. He believes ASR and other programs like it shouldnt have to obey the law. No amount of common sense or facts is going to change his mind.
Let's not waste any more time trying.
TheWho:
psy wrote:
--- Quote ---Trying to figure out what category you are in.. as opposed to jumping through hoops to avoid being placed in one and/or selectively choosing (depending on who you are talking to) what catgory you are in... Very different things here. Plus: this is a place you send your kids to be "taken care of".... not a fucking bagel place. (HEY.. ya want saam lox wit ya brat?!?!)
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What you are talking about is perspective… there is bound to be a fringe group outside the café protesting that they are skirting the law and should have a certified librarian and institute the dewy decimal system and calling it an evil place. From their point of view they are jumping thru hoops to avoid regulation…to most others it is a situation where the laws don’t apply neatly.
I am sure as more of these cafes opened around the state there would be better clarification with the law and maybe a separate category would emerge. “fast food “ Restaurants had the same problem adhering to all the regulations that mainstream restaurants had to adhere to and were permitted special waivers until finally a Fast food category was developed.
If more TBS were opened, eventually they would clarify regulations that applied specifically to them.
There is no attempt to minimize this because kids are involved. It’s a problem just the same and needs to be addressed.
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