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RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---So what it seems like you want us to believe is a parent can call up the state office and say “My son is Disabled because he is having a tough time in school and is doing drugs so I would like him classified as a “Special needs “student and received services from the state.
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No one has said anything to this affect. Pay closer attention.
--- Quote ---Do you think the state would just say okay? Or do you think he would need to be evaluated and determined to be special needs by the state he is in?
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Of course. Who has said otherwise? Stay focused Cindy, ha, ha, ha.
--- Quote ---We can all say our kids are special needs kids, but the state needs to approve every case and the parents need to apply for this status thru the DOE or Early intervention.
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How many of those kids are at ASR is unknown. What we do know is that Massachusettes has stated that ASR is set up to be treating such kids.
--- Quote ---The point I have been trying to get across is the state that the child lives in determines if the child is a “special needs” student. They need to be classified as such and placed within the system…..some boarding school in another state cant classify kids as special needs for the state only the state can do this. I may have a child that fits the special needs definition but choose not to have him classified, so therefore he fits the definition but is not, by law, a “Special needs” student.
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Yet ASR continues to provide services for special needs kids. It doesnt matter if theyve been deemed as such. When EEC goes in theyre going to be able to determine for themselves how many of these kids actually qualify as special needs. If that number is greater than 30% (which it will be) then ASR will be forced to apply for licensure.
--- Quote ---ASR’s definition and the states definition can be completely different.
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Actually the state's authority supercedes the imaginary autonomy that ASR believes it has. When the state reps come in it's going to break down one of two ways.
1. They're going to come and find all these kids who meet the definition of "special needs" and force ASR to become properly licensed. My money's on this one.
2. They're going to come and find the kids don't meet the definition of special needs and then wonder why the school is providing special needs services to kids who clearly dont need it. At which point they'll force ASR to become properly licensed.
Sorry if this makes you mad Cindy but it's the reality of the situation. Get used to it, ha, ha ,ha.
Deborah:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---So what it seems like you want us to believe is a parent can call up the state office and say “My son is Disabled because he is having a tough time in school and is doing drugs so I would like him classified as a “Special needs “student and received services from the state.
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No, idiot. What state office would they call? You're off topic intentionally, as usual. We're discussing the definition of "special needs" in terms of "services provided" and as that relates to licensure.
--- Quote ---Do you think the state would just say okay? Or do you think he would need to be evaluated and determined to be special needs by the state he is in?
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Nope, that would be the school district's job. Did you read the case law that was provided? No of course not.
--- Quote ---We can all say our kids are special needs kids, but the state needs to approve every case and the parents need to apply for this status thru the DOE or Early intervention.
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Nope, and irrelevant to this discussion/issue.
--- Quote ---The point I have been trying to get across is the state that the child lives in determines if the child is a “special needs” student. They need to be classified as such and placed within the system…..some boarding school in another state cant classify kids as special needs for the state only the state can do this.
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Oh really. HLA slapped a dx on my son that he didn't have prior to attending that pit. No one in Tx determined him to be "special needs". Again, totally irrelavent to this discussion/issue. The kids do not have to carry a dx or be classified as "special needs" in their home state, in order to be considered "special needs" in the state they are attending "school". Again, as this relates to licensing.
--- Quote ---I may have a child that fits the special needs definition but choose not to have him classified, so therefore he fits the definition but is not, by law, a “Special needs” student.
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That's right, so don't go to your school district and ask for special services or considerations unless you are prepared for your kid to be classified as "special needs".
--- Quote ---ASR’s definition and the states definition can be completely different. Hope this clears this up.
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::roflmao:: About as clear as mud. ::bangin:: ASR can define it how they wish, but in case you're confused, the state will have the ultimate say.
TheWho:
Sorry to get everyone riled up…Ha,Ha,Ha everyone gets so serious here... just wanted to clear up that you ,I or ASR don’t determine if a child is classified as “special needs”. This is determined by the state and the state alone. We don’t know what regulations apply because ASR isn’t classified clearly in any one category, i.e Private boarding school, Special ed school, RTC, mental facility etc…….. They are a hybrid presently because there doesn’t exist a category for TBS at this time.
So the state needs to define what regulations apply before determining compliance.
psy:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Sorry to get everyone riled up…Ha,Ha,Ha everyone gets so serious here... just wanted to clear up that you ,I or ASR don’t determine if a child is classified as “special needs”. This is determined by the state and the state alone. We don’t know what regulations apply because ASR isn’t classified clearly in any one category, i.e Private boarding school, Special ed school, RTC, mental facility etc…….. They are a hybrid presently because there doesn’t exist a category for TBS at this time.
So the state needs to define what regulations apply before determining compliance.
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So what you're saying, essentially, is that they're outside the law?
RobertBruce:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Sorry to get everyone riled up…Ha,Ha,Ha everyone gets so serious here... just wanted to clear up that you ,I or ASR don’t determine if a child is classified as “special needs”. This is determined by the state and the state alone. We don’t know what regulations apply because ASR isn’t classified clearly in any one category, i.e Private boarding school, Special ed school, RTC, mental facility etc…….. They are a hybrid presently because there doesn’t exist a category for TBS at this time.
So the state needs to define what regulations apply before determining compliance.
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Ha, ha, ha keep telling yourself that Cindy.
As upset as youre getting about it now I can only imagine what it will be like when the state does force licensure onto the school.
"Why can't you see it's a hybrid! Being a hybrid means you dont have to follow any laws. That's why I got my daddy to buy me one. Now whenever I'm driving around in my hybrid and I come across a red light, I just drive right on through. Cause it's a hybrid!"
Nine years ago when the OCCS came into ASR and demanded they become licensed this hybrid argument didnt hold any water then any more then it does now. What got the OCCS to back off was that ASR filed for an exemption as a special needs school under the 30% rule. Now why would they need to file for an exemption for something they arent Cindy.
Answer me that if you can.
If you doubt the story I suggest you call up your bosses at ASR and verify it for yourself.
Their number is (800) 258-1770.
The difference now is that the definition for a "special needs" kid has become much broader. The exemption will no longer apply.
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