Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Mission Mountain School
Addie Harris???
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-31 16:35:00, babylove wrote:
"What would you have me say? You are just as much of a bully as you accuse John of being! Because I feel differently then you, you call names and make accusations, how is that any different then what you accuse MMS of doing?"
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yes` s`ir John tau`ht me good. HONESTY is KEY u can F`EEL wha`t u FEEL but JOH`N Hurt people! and as yo`u say is A B`ULLY. u are saying this is not t`ue e`ven after news art`icles have bee`n written, ex[perts are appalen and you h`ear girls saying JOHN HURT THEM even in early times like when you were there!! What is wrong with you?> you might not FEEL LIKE Jo`hns way of treated girls made you de`pression and enxiety and Post Trauma disoreder in your life but how can you 'feel' like what he did is not WRONG becuz YOU DIDNT FEEL IT AND since u kn`ow about oth`ers now. This is not rocke`t science. u don't have to be the person rape`d to know that it hurts even if the guy w`ho rape`s u censors u into saying its a g`ood thing becuz to say it hurst is manipulative.
dont u DARE COMEPARE ME TO THAT EVIL MAN, I don't pretend to be able to help kids with serious problems and U are FREE TO END THIS CONVERSATION> FREE IS NOT WHAT GIRLS THERE NOW KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.
babylove:
Again you would have me say something that I do not see as true. I did not feel that John caused abuse. Mike, Deb, Gary and Colleen were all apart of daily life, John even less so when I was there. Obviously things have changed seeing as how John and Colleen are the only two founders left. I hear what you and some of the other girls are saying and that is your reality, not mine. So for me to post things about John or MMS that are as negative as what you and some others write is just wrong. It goes against everything that I stand for in my life. MMS was not a walk in the park. It was hard and at times and really sucked, but it taught me to appreciate what I had before I went, and what I have made for myself and my family since I was there. I am a better person due to my experience, which includes all the people I met at MMS.
katfish:
inerject a few quick points, I think regardless of subjective MMS experience the efficacy of MMS like methods are widely debunked, so while anecdotes like Shayna's may be bothersome, annonymous, it's irrelevant if we are to look at this from the standpoint of efficacy and well as ethics coming from the mental health profession.
I spend much time arguing this same point until I came to dicsover mental health professionals dealing with this issue and places like MMS... understanding proven mental health treatment and the validity of my points made this easier, though I did continue to debate if only b/c I don't want parents who read this forum to think MMS is great for everyone or that their is any proof to suggest it works... quite the contrary is true and the risk of damage to your child is great.
For whatever its worth, I don't beleve Shayna had a mental illness, coming from that place that could explain the diverging subjective experiences.
So, while I don't endore coercion MMS style (and other facilities) regardless, as I don't beleive it is ethcial while dealing with any emotional or behavioral disorder either, if your child has a mental illness MMS is a frightening prospect. I am 100% morally opposed. I would never ever willingly subject my child to such forceful & punitive treatment as 'care'. kat[ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2006-06-02 12:50 ]
babylove:
"For whatever its worth, I don't beleve Shayna had a mental illness, coming from that place that could explain the diverging subjective experiences."
Thanks for that vote of confidence Kat!
By the way, how the hell are you?
-Shayna
katfish:
--- Quote ---On 2006-06-02 13:40:00, babylove wrote:
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"For whatever its worth, I don't beleve Shayna had a mental illness, coming from that place that could explain the diverging subjective experiences."
Thanks for that vote of confidence Kat!
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Not to be a jerk, but what do you mean by this... I was diagnosed with a mental illness before and after MMS, that's why I make the distinction. A lot of girls had some type of disroder. thats why MMS is of such concern to me now in terms of their (lack of) capacity to deal with real imabalances.
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By the way, how the hell are you?
-Shayna"
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I'm damn good, esp today (its my day off- yay!)
yea, what can I say, I've lived in NYC for about 10 years now, went to college here... law school next fall- considering mental health law although I'm passionate about human rights... we'll see. No kids yet, want to get my education out of the way first. In a relationship with the girlfriend for 6 years now, 2 doggies, 2 cat...Quality of life is improving. NYC is damn expensive and I don't make much- I work with mentally ill adults at a shelter, which I LOVE LOVE LOVE, but can't see myself in direct services forever. For now I could not ask for a better program director, supervisor or co-workers, or clients (for the most part). I actually look forward to work, which has never been the case before... bad bosses.
Trying to run a non-profit I co-founded, CAFETY effectively on the side dealing with unregulated res. treatment facilities,- kind of difficult. So far so good though, great bunch of former program kids with the most compelling stories you will ever hear- powerful group... And then working for the other Org, same issue, A START in FL which has been an amazingly fullfilling experience because of the community I've been exposed to, the opportunities and (truthfully) just the level of significance in terms of a stepping stone for me. My grades in college were quite average, so the fact that I've been introduced to people who can vouch for me & my abilities has been a real blessing.
My past had a lot of ups and downs, more downs- I was a huge wreck after MMS and did the drug think for a year, was down and out for several years after that, but somehow made it through! It was rough trying to make sense of things... I don't speak with my dad any longer (very long sotry), my mom and I have reconnected over the past several years and that's been really important to me.
Ideally I'd like to move out of city eventually.. too damn loud! It's working for now though, I'd like to move to a city like San Fransisco I think, somewhere slower paced.
I thin you'll appreciate this- you strike me as the sailing type. My g/f sails so this fall we're taking a trip down to the Meditarannean (sp?) with her brother and sister in law and rent a sail boat
and sail from island to island for a few weeks. Beside my terror of the ocean & getting lost at sea, I think it'll be fun!
what about you?? what up on the west side????
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