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Offline Nihilanthic

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2006, 10:48:00 PM »
Uh, what do you mean I didnt answer squat? I showed some of what Ive done to help things.

Also, I DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT ITS LIKE "FOR THE PARENT". I said so ALREADY. Its NOT ABOUT THE DAMNED PARENT. Its not about the parent having a pity party or any other outlet to get attention from everyone, oh poor me I gotta send my kid away, its soooo hard, I want attention. Oh poor me, I sent my kid away, it was the wrong thing to do, Im so sorry, eveyone give me a hug.

Yeah, I dont know how "hard" it is to give in to some hukster telling me to give over my flesh and blood to strangers in some fishy, culty 'treatment' and not speak to my own offspring for months and buy into that crap. No, I havent personally experienced what its like to be a kid in a program. Neither has that mom.

But as defensive as all you stupid attention whore sissy parents are, and as bad as this watered down, one guy vs you flamewar must be on the internet, imagine this in person. Except Im standing over you, screaming at you, shoving you around, threatening you, and scaring the shit out of you - but you cant leave, cant escape, nobodys helping you, everyone is either terrified and watching or helping ME out.

I honestly can't believe you all are still like this AFTER your kids out. Stop attention whoring! Tell us the damn program! Tell us the people who run it and who actually abused the kid! Stop being a bunch of ninnies out to get MORE ATTENTION because you sent your kid to a program when before you wanted attention and support for having the kid IN the program.

BTW - Im not mad for other people. Im pissed off all by my own god damn self, ok? Im pissed at some stupid attention whoring sissy who cant take shit online but was party to some IN YOUR FACE, personal, physical shit WAY worse than this to a CHILD for a LONG time.

You can walk away. You can close the window. You can ignore it, or you can flame back. A kid cant do anything except make it worse, or participate in her own humiliation and suffering in hopes of making it be over soon. I honestly can not believe you people are going to drama-queen it the fuck up and turn it into an attentionwhore fest about how hard it must be for you to accept guilt.

Get over it, and grow up, at least as much as your child is. Try setting an example instead of just looking for another opportunity to play the victim.

If shes really sorry about what she did to her kid, maybe she should stop the people who hurt her kid from hurting others, and get justice for her child instead of just talking about how hard it is for her to admit she was wrong about it  :rofl:

I also think that Truth Searcher is either just looking for attention, or is a troll, and doesnt even HAVE a kid, BTW.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

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TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2006, 11:14:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-27 19:48:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"Uh, what do you mean I didnt answer squat? I showed some of what Ive done to help things.



Also, I DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT ITS LIKE "FOR THE PARENT". I said so ALREADY. Its NOT ABOUT THE DAMNED PARENT. Its not about the parent having a pity party or any other outlet to get attention from everyone, oh poor me I gotta send my kid away, its soooo hard, I want attention. Oh poor me, I sent my kid away, it was the wrong thing to do, Im so sorry, eveyone give me a hug.



Yeah, I dont know how "hard" it is to give in to some hukster telling me to give over my flesh and blood to strangers in some fishy, culty 'treatment' and not speak to my own offspring for months and buy into that crap. No, I havent personally experienced what its like to be a kid in a program. Neither has that mom.



But as defensive as all you stupid attention whore sissy parents are, and as bad as this watered down, one guy vs you flamewar must be on the internet, imagine this in person. Except Im standing over you, screaming at you, shoving you around, threatening you, and scaring the shit out of you - but you cant leave, cant escape, nobodys helping you, everyone is either terrified and watching or helping ME out.



I honestly can't believe you all are still like this AFTER your kids out. Stop attention whoring! Tell us the damn program! Tell us the people who run it and who actually abused the kid! Stop being a bunch of ninnies out to get MORE ATTENTION because you sent your kid to a program when before you wanted attention and support for having the kid IN the program.



BTW - Im not mad for other people. Im pissed off all by my own god damn self, ok? Im pissed at some stupid attention whoring sissy who cant take shit online but was party to some IN YOUR FACE, personal, physical shit WAY worse than this to a CHILD for a LONG time.



You can walk away. You can close the window. You can ignore it, or you can flame back. A kid cant do anything except make it worse, or participate in her own humiliation and suffering in hopes of making it be over soon. I honestly can not believe you people are going to drama-queen it the fuck up and turn it into an attentionwhore fest about how hard it must be for you to accept guilt.



Get over it, and grow up, at least as much as your child is. Try setting an example instead of just looking for another opportunity to play the victim.



If shes really sorry about what she did to her kid, maybe she should stop the people who hurt her kid from hurting others, and get justice for her child instead of just talking about how hard it is for her to admit she was wrong about it  :rofl:



I also think that Truth Searcher is either just looking for attention, or is a troll, and doesnt even HAVE a kid, BTW."


Please, just reread what you just wrote and then look at the first entry.  No one is asking for pity, they are telling a story.  This is what is needed on formits, why beat everyone up, let the person tell their story and get thru it?  You are so full of hatred you are not sure who to yell at.  You have no clue what that child went thru, she does !!!  This in not about you, Nihils, and how pissed off you are.  You are ding more harm tan good.  This person can give us a lot of insight on what she did and how other parents can avoid her mistakes and you have to twist it around and make it about your personal anger, why deny these kids a chance to avoid a placement?  All the parents are going to read here is how pissed you are.  and why are you pissed, who the hell knows !!!!!  you are not even a part of this !!!!!  You are making it worse for these kids by deflecting the story onto yourself or your personal needs.  Step aside and let people tell their stories, they have something to say, you do not.  You had you chance,  if you want to help even one child,

STOP WRITTING
LISTEN  AND  LEARN,  its not about you or what you want
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2006, 11:20:00 PM »
If this Mom's daughter has been home a full year, then perhaps it may be time for this Mom to answer a few basis questions:
What program was your daughter enrolled in?
How does your daughter feel about the placement, now that she has had a year to reflect?
What made you begin to realize that the placement was NOT a valuable, or good experience?
Was your daughter abused at this facility?

These are some basic questions that should not be too difficult to answer after a full year has passed.
Thank you.
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2006, 11:22:00 PM »
How dense are you?

Shes not giving any fucking insight! Shes just saying "Im sorry". Shes given no facts, no people, no places, no names, no specifics. Nothing. Just trying to get even more attention from everyone here.

Shes not adding anything productive.

And its not about *YOUR* needs or *HER* needs, either! What its turning into is just another outlet for her wanting of attention, oh woe is me it was soo hard to come clean and admit it.

Spiffy. When she actually fucking adds something to this and actually provides some insight, Ill shut up.

BUT RIGHT NOW, GUESS WHAT? SHES JUST TALKING ABOUT *HER*!

WHAT PROGRAM? WHAT PEOPLE? WHERE IS IT? WHAT DID THEY DO?
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

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TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2006, 12:10:00 AM »
Niles has a point - and I for one, would much rather see these I'm-so-sorry-parents take out an ad in a major newspaper condemning the troubled teen industry for "duping" them into violating the civil and human rights of their own children then pat them on the back (or salute them) for their bravery in posting on Fornits.

Better yet, start a website to help build awareness or donate generously to those websites and discussion boards that are doing just that.

In other words - put your money where your mouth is.  Write Congressman Miller and offer to testify before Congress.  Write your own Congress reps and urge them to get off their butts and support Miller's bill.  

Go to your local public and private high schools and educate the counselors, teachers, PTA members, about the troubled teen industry.

Buy a dozen HELP AT ANY COST books and send them to friends and relatives with a request that they send the book on to someone else (or donate it to their community of High School libraries).

Being sorry isn't enough when it comes to enabling people to physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually abuse your own children.

Do something to make sure other parents don't get the same chance (oops, I mean make the same mistake).
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2006, 12:30:00 AM »
Id just like to point out this thread is being used by someone at struggling teens to try to personally attack me, as I knew he would  :roll:

See what I mean?
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2006, 01:36:00 AM »
Okay, I don't think I have ever come across this Truth Searcher person? Anyway, people have busy lives perhaps she hasn't made it back to the computer? If what you say is true about her posting around 50 times, and not giving us information that parents out there desperatly need.........then I will be right there with you, ripping that troller to shreds!

But, I am going to give her another day before I rush to any type of judgement. So, I guess we'll just see..........
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2006, 06:50:00 AM »
Wow.  Honestly, my intention was NOT to stir up a hornets nest.

It is true that I have posted 50 times ... but if you look at the history, it has been over a long period of time.  I am not a troll.  I am not able to be at my computer 24/7 ... life is way toooo busy to allow that.  With that said ...  I have not been sent here by Lon Woodbury.  In fact, I have an issue or two with his industry.  I did not hire an EC, or an escort service.  

My daughter attended Hope Ranch in Whitefish Montana.  It is actually a very small, quite obscure program by comparison to some of the mega-schools.  So I doubt that most of you have even heard of it.  Yes, it is a Christian facility ... but before you roast me on that front ... understand that we are people of faith ... I refuse to defend that element.  And I believe they are a good program ... as programs go.  

Her program was not punitive.  She never suffered the humiliations that come with many other disreputable programs.  She was not starved, hit,beaten, restrained, etc.

She suffered more subtle difficulties.  Homesickness.  Loneliness.  Disconnect from family.  "Living in an artificial world" ... her quote.  A feeling of powerlessness.  A loss of a year of her life.

I see that now.  

Nihal ... I am trying to do good ...  I actually have many opportunities to share our experience with other families ... I work in the Health/Human services industry.  I will reiterate one more time ... that I came here to tell this forum that these boards were instrumental in challenging my thinkingabout the entire industry.  Trust me ... it would have been way easier to hang around Woodbury's site and reinforce our decision to place a child.  But, I came here and endured your caustic comments and judgments ... because I really did desire to hear the other side.  Furthermore ... I hear your message that this is not about me ... but I must say that at some lesser levels it is about me/us, our family, etc.  If you think for one moment that I derived some perverse pleasure out of this whole experience, you are very, very mistaken.  This has been hard on us all...  we are a family.  That's just the way it works.  When your a parent some day ... perhaps you will understand.

Fling mud if you must ...

Deborah ... thank you for your interest ... my daughter is doing VERY well ... in spite of her placement.  She is very resilient.  She is happy for the first time in many, many years.  I do believe that on many levels, the program helped her.  To her credit, she is using skills that she learned there.

She is home.  She is off drugs.  Recreational and prescribed drugs.  She is not cutting.  She is not being promiscuous.  She is doing well in school.  She is holding down a job that she enjoys.  She just went to her prom.  She is responsible and well adjusted.  Again ... she is happy and that is all that my heart desires for her.  Thanks for asking.
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2006, 09:19:00 AM »
just for other parents info - who is this Congressman Miller and what is his bill - a link that I can read it for myself - pls??
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2006, 10:05:00 AM »
Hmmm ... couldn't just let the girl go to church in her own community while at the same time getting her (and the rest of the family) REAL therapy?

Had to isolate her in Whitefish, Montana ... for "her own good". It was the hardest thing you ever did - but you didn't use an escort, she went willing.

I  get it now.

 :roll:
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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2006, 10:26:00 AM »
I am deeply dissappointed about some of these postings.  How dare any "non-professional", seemingly well meaning person, give "professional" advice to parents, family, guenuinely interested parties as to whether they should actually use the help of any type of facilty for their child.

Which of you has admitted your child to a hospital with deep self-inflicted cuts over their body, only to have them come home in 10 days with some prescription drugs to take, but no real solution and the same violent, confused, morbid demeanor they left with??

Which of you has sat repeatedly with law enforcement at your home waiting to find out of your child was kidnapped, killed, "harmed, only to find out, they "ran away", again and the "next time", they go in fron of a judge as an "out of control teen"??

Which of you has sat night after night, week after week, your child (who has threatened to murder you)on the couch in your bedroom with you between them and the door to prevent them from "running away to some criminals that have twisted their minds around some sicko behavior as a coping mechinism", with your child on "contract" with you that they will not kill themselves that night???  Terrified to close your eyes and sleep for months and as a single parent, the only relief is their next hospital admittance, with the "quiet rooom" as a means of "controlling" your troubled kid??  With other children in your home who need to continue on in their lives also and the constant inability to actually be there for them?

Which of you has done this through five in-patient local hospitals and local out-patient programs hoping against hope that you DO NOT have to "send your child away"??  Trying to NOT have to use a educational consultant, praying to God to be able to keep your child close so that you can fulfill your responsibility to "keep your child safe from arm", but watching them "slip away" from you??

How dare you act in the place of a professional?

For all the bad senior professionals out there and there are many, at many of the various top notch institutions, there are also dedicated, well-meaning top notch professionals that have the gutts to finally say when enough is enough and tell a parent when after a year of six different local institutions NOT working, you finally have to bite the bullet and send your child away.

I am the parent and it is MY responsibility to discern if a professional is right or not.  I have a "gutt" feeling about my child and I "know" when they are wrong.  It is MY job to advocate for my child, not the govenments, the psychiatrists, not alot of misguided, "well-meaning" parents/former students"!

In 1983, I lost a child in a drowing accident.  He was 14 and a "troubled" teen and I did not have the maturity nor the perspective to intervene the way I should have and through his own "challenged" decision making, he chose to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and didn't make it.

I DID NOT want to "send my daughter away."  IT WAS THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO and I exhausted without any "seeming" avaiable resources, all avenues, before "placing" my child at a program that I spent incredible time researching, before I agreed on that program.  

The school system, the therapists, the incompetence of my local medical facilities, which had the best insurance coverage available, etc., all came to a point in my daughter's life, where it was "life or death" for her.

How dare you all be so callous.

Do not attempt to "fix a problem", by causing a bigger problem.

There are some horrrible treatment facilities out there, but there are also some treatment places that without them, alot of children would be dead.  

There are incompetant government oversight officials who have no idea how to determine if a facility is competant or not.

There are so many professionals in the industry that their only concern is to protect themselves from "liability" and that it is tragic, but I beg both the parents and the "former students" to not destroy a needed hope for some very desperate parents and the children that deserve a "great life" and the best possible available therapuetic interventions you all decide DO WORK!!!

The wilderness program "Walkabout" in Utah, hard as they were on my daughter and as much as she, at the time hated them, were life-saving angels.

During 9/11, she was there and I could not even talk to her and I thought I would die from fear for her safety.  I took her 15th birthday cake on 10/5/2001 out to Utah, flying through airports with young men with machine guns "protecting" empty airplanes, to get her a cake to the top of the mountain where she was, for her birthday and her graduation from that program.

Instead of, after two months coming home, she then went to another tremendous TBS, that SHE says, was so helpful to her to help her get out of her confusion.

That was another nine months of loss of our lives together and I achknowledge the tremendous hardship she endured to have to be away from home, away from even the total change in this country that she never even knew happened till she came home in 2004.

The last TBS she was in should be closed down and I hope there are people strong enough with wisdom to accomplish that, but for us, our challenges are not over and that is not where we fit in this puzzle.

Our story is long and difficult, as are most of the stories of the families who truly NEED to have high-claiber TBS's with therapies that do work.

So make yourselves useful, write the President in mass, go stand in front of the White House and demand change, but you volunteer as the oversight "commission".  

You, as experienced parents and "former students", go do something positive and drop in on these palces and demand to have "tours" and have the places be accountable to you as now heathy, mature adults who alot of you are parents in your own rights!!!

I would trust you, but I don't want the government, the psychiatrists, the lawyers, idiots who have no experience telling me about what is a good place to send my child.

My daughter has been home a year and she is a magnificent, mature, responsible young woman that I am tremendously proud of for all her acheivements.

There were some very bad people in this story that I know God will take care of them in His time(unless, as a better solution, they actually stop being horrible people and make the amends they should).  I am deeply enouraged by the activities on these forums, but I am also concerned that this push against "ALL" treatment is tremendously misguided and the incredible rantings that are such a waste of time and energy.  

(Has anyone noticed it's spring and the flowers are BLOOMING!!!)

The right answer is for those of you that have your lives back to demand to be involved, as with your experience and perspective, you are the right people to provide oversight on the industry.

The kids that NEED treatment, NEED a place to go and get unconfused.  Maybe it is only 20? 40% of the kids that are being treated, but figure that out AND MAKE THIS INDUSTRY DO THE RIGHT THING.

YOU ARE OUR HOPE AND ANSWER TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF KIDS WHO NEED A BETTER ANSWER!!

DON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER.

God Bless you all and I wish for you peace and joy and the progess into the love that our family has the priviledge to enjoy.
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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2006, 11:32:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-27 18:59:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

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Nihils, you havent been reading at all or listening, what value have you added to this site? Give me a link, I'll read it!!!



http://www.askquestions.org/articles/teens/



http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=7573&forum=9



And a few things Im not at liberty to share  :grin:



Still, regardless, why not DO SOMETHIGN TO HELP instead of being an attention whore for consolation after admitting you fucked up? You dont do that for the attention and for the personal release of responsibility and getting "awww that must be so hard" crap, its to make the OTHER person feel better, and to make good on it.



Shes helped nobody, shes done nothing but talk get attention from it. 50+ posts and wont say what program or any people involved? Shes done nothing to prevent anyone else from being hurt by those same people, or gotten justice for her kid for what they did to her.



I honestly think its just someone who wants attention, and doesnt even have a kid. Even if it IS a program parent, its about time to actually DO SOMETHING!!



Another thing. As HORRIBLE as this must be over the FUCKING INTERNET THAT SHE CAN WALK AWAY FROM, IGNORE, CLOSE THE WINDOW, OR WHATEVER, imagine if I was in her face doing this, with 20 of my best buddies doing the same thing, and she cant run away, or walk away, or turn it off. She doesnt have people speaking up for her - everyones turned against her, even her own mother. And it lasts all day. And its daily, for months, maybe years.



BOO FUCKING HOO."
Fuck you, fuck your mother and fuck your God damm dog, ass wipe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2006, 11:35:00 AM »
[/quote]Fuck you, fuck your mother and fuck your God damm dog, ass wipe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Nihil- you forgot to sign in.
I think someone got his feelings hurt.....
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2006, 11:51:00 AM »
Oh please, don't kill the messenger!  The teen help industry has been making and playing by their own rules for years. Your daughter was one of the lucky ones - Katie Lank, Ian August, Aaron Bacon, Michelle Sutton, and many other children who did NOT survive their treatment are proof positive that there is an INHERENT RISK that comes attached with the business of fixing troubled teens.

I find it hard to believe that your community had no resources to help your child and your family but a small town in the middle of nowhere did.

That's a mantra we have heard before, and something the ed cons and the program referral agents, admissions reps also recite ad nauseum.

Sorry, ain't buying that abuse excuse today, tomorrow or ever.

There is another way -- but of course, it may be the hardest thing you ever have to do when it comes to NOT institutionalizing your child for no better reason than you could.
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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2006, 12:08:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-28 06:19:00, mcr84kar86 wrote:

"just for other parents info - who is this Congressman Miller and what is his bill - a link that I can read it for myself - pls??"


http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/HR1738.html

http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=38

http://isaccorp.org/action.html

Fornits has a LOT of info on this as well.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 4&forum=35
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