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Nihilanthic:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-06 07:19:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"With the kind of case that kid is facing all you really need is a blind monkey to plea out the details with the right spin.
...to disarm the people (is) the best and most effective way to enslave them...
-- George Mason
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My family was completely railroaded on a case with zero evidence and accusations that changed every time the 'victims' were interviewed.
NEVER underestimate the ability of a DA to "make a case" where there isnt one.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-06 15:10:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
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On 2006-05-06 07:19:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"With the kind of case that kid is facing all you really need is a blind monkey to plea out the details with the right spin.
...to disarm the people (is) the best and most effective way to enslave them...
-- George Mason
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My family was completely railroaded on a case with zero evidence and accusations that changed every time the 'victims' were interviewed.
NEVER underestimate the ability of a DA to "make a case" where there isnt one. "
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Amen.
We saw a case in animal court where the owners of a rottie were railroaded because the judge hated the breed of dog.
Their dog had been chained in their yard when someone who they'd told to leave it alone came in the yard, teasing it, and got bitten.
Absolutely not their fault, under the laws of our state and county.
They had a witness (neighbor) who was home and watching and saw the whole thing.
The chick who got bit lied and said the dog was loose---but she didn't even show up to court. The judge relied on the inadmissable hearsay testimony of the animal control officer about what the chick had said.
Zero admissable evidence, and they were not even allowed to call their witness on their behalf---they tried. Since the woman was not there, they were (obviously) not allowed to cross examine the witness against them.
They were innocent, and they got convicted because the judge hated rottweilers, and already had made up his mind that if you were an accused in his court, you were guilty.
We looked him up. The judge's prior job was with the DA's office prosecuting habitual offenders. But yeah, he's completely impartial. Not.
Their constitutional rights were violated six ways from Sunday, and the judge felt absolutely confident in doing so because of ONE THING:
They didn't have a lawyer.
Get a lawyer. Get a good lawyer. If you have a lawyer and he isn't rubbing his hands and salivating over defending a client from a felony charge who only stole 37 dollars, then your lawyer sucks---get a better one.
It's the DA's job to get convictions and put people away, not to be fair.
It's the judge's job to be fair, but without a lawyer? Fat chance. The DA knows the judge. If the DA thinks he can get away with murder with that judge--he probably can.
Also, there's an old saying: A good lawyer knows the law. A great lawyer knows the judge.
Julie
(If the people with the rottie had had a lawyer, the judge still *could* have done everything he did, but the lawyer would have appealed, and won. And he also could have referred the judge for disciplinary action, which likely would have stuck.)
Worried Dad:
Sorry I've dragged this thread so far off topic.
Another lawyer isn't going to help at this point. Thank you for the advice though. Well my son confessed to the crime so there's no doubt he's guilty. That was my fault because I didn't believe they'd charge him with a felony for such a petty crime. Also he's plead guilty already to get a deferred judgement against the DA's wishes. If he straightens out the whole thing will be removed from his record.
I went to court with him on Friday expecting him to be tossed in jail for at least a year. The judge gave him a stern warning instead. We have to go back to court in a couple of months to see if he's improved. The DA might be harsh, but the judge seemed to have some sense.
I believe some people here are right that some time in jail might help him. I'm just hoping it's not one to three years.
Anyway thank you for all the advice. I'm still plugging along.
Badpuppy:
The lawyer he had did just fine. This is the result I would have expected.
Anonymous:
Sometimes there's a tendency to scare juvenile offenders and even their parents, because most of the time kids get probation and maybe community service or restitution.
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