Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
WHAT ABOUT THE PARENTS?
Anonymous:
While I agree these programs need to be shut down, it appears to me the real problem is the PARENTS who dump their kids into these abusive hellholes than later claim they were duped.
Come on! DUPED???? How about taking some responsibility for not talking to their kid for months, even years, while modifying their behavior?
There is no excuse anymore. The Internet is loaded with material suggesting these programs have a history of abuse. Are these parents living in a vacuum? Of course not.
Are they brainwashed? Maybe so but most of these kids have a relative or sibling that has heard about how bad some of these programs are and have managed to get their loved ones out -- either by convincing the parent to pull the kid or going to court.
There are thousands of parents who use these programs and even if they don't know what the hell is going on behind closed doors, they SHOULD KNOW.
IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE!
Parents who love these programs are in need of a reality check not coddling.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-04-25 17:24:00, Anonymous
There is no excuse anymore. The Internet is loaded with material suggesting these programs have a history of abuse. Are these parents living in a vacuum? Of course not.
Are they brainwashed? Maybe so but most of these kids have a relative or sibling that has heard about how bad some of these programs are and have managed to get their loved ones out -- either by convincing the parent to pull the kid or going to court.
There are thousands of parents who use these programs and even if they don't know what the hell is going on behind closed doors, they SHOULD KNOW.
IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE!
Parents who love these programs are in need of a reality check not coddling.
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You are absolutely right. Most people wouldn't send their dog to a kennel without checking it out in person. I do not believe most of the parents are ignorant, they send their kids away to punish them, sort of the ultimate time out. It is a socially acceptable way of abusing your non-conforming offspring without going to jail.
Anonymous:
Hmmm....What if it pees everywhere, won't house break, chews on everything, growls at every family member? What if the dog becomes vicious, now biting everyone in the house, hiding behind funiture and when least expected, leaps out and mauls the baby? Wouldn't the owner quickly remove it? Get it trained? Teach the family how to deal with the dog? Now before you get all over me about training...you are the one that made the dog analogy!
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-04-26 10:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hmmm....What if it pees everywhere, won't house break, chews on everything, growls at every family member? What if the dog becomes vicious, now biting everyone in the house, hiding behind funiture and when least expected, leaps out and mauls the baby? Wouldn't the owner quickly remove it? Get it trained? Teach the family how to deal with the dog? Now before you get all over me about training...you are the one that made the dog analogy! "
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A good dog owner would have had their dog trained before any of the bad behavior started. If it had been let to go that long without training, they could bring a trainer in to train THE DOG OWNER, not the dog in the proper way to train a dog. Dog's are not stupid and do not become vicious on their own, it means their owner did a piss poor job in raising it. Yuppies around here think they can ship their dog off to a trainer for a week and get back a new dog, and then wonder why nothing changed when the dog comes home. Good dog trainers realize they have to train the dog owner, not the dog itself. The dog owner needs to spend time using positive reinforcement, instead of screaming and kicking the dog.
Irish Mom:
--- Quote ---On 2006-04-26 10:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-26 10:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hmmm....What if it pees everywhere, won't house break, chews on everything, growls at every family member? What if the dog becomes vicious, now biting everyone in the house, hiding behind funiture and when least expected, leaps out and mauls the baby? Wouldn't the owner quickly remove it? Get it trained? Teach the family how to deal with the dog? Now before you get all over me about training...you are the one that made the dog analogy! "
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A good dog owner would have had their dog trained before any of the bad behavior started. If it had been let to go that long without training, they could bring a trainer in to train THE DOG OWNER, not the dog in the proper way to train a dog. Dog's are not stupid and do not become vicious on their own, it means their owner did a piss poor job in raising it. Yuppies around here think they can ship their dog off to a trainer for a week and get back a new dog, and then wonder why nothing changed when the dog comes home. Good dog trainers realize they have to train the dog owner, not the dog itself. The dog owner needs to spend time using positive reinforcement, instead of screaming and kicking the dog."
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Damn that's good! Wish I had said it...lol. The term they're contantly using in WWASP programs is "Accountability". Well my question is where is the accountability on the parents part? Do you just throw your kid in a program because YOU can't fix the problem? Why are some parents so quick to "get rid" of the problem by sending their kids away? After talking to a few of the parents of kids in the program I see why some of these kids are the way they are. Granted, some of them have done some horrible things and aren't being "perfect" teenagers, but then what teenager is perfect, and for that matter, what parent is perfect? I know I'm certainly not! I do know that I am accountable for certain behaviors my child now exhibits and I'm at least taking the time to do something about it. The emphasis is on "I'm taking the time" not sending them to someone else to correct. I allowed this behavior to begin, so it's my responsibility to take care of it. I've done so by asking other parents their advise and actually listening to ideas they throw out to me. It's not easy to admit that I contributed to some of his negative behavior, but damn it I do!
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