Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-02 10:17:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"The same state who has the heads of various private programs chairing a committee to clean up program abused under the auspices of the department of labour.
Not very convincing.
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.
-- Ben Franklin At the signing of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776.
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Are you sure? Consider this: those people from private programs (and there's only one chair, two other program members, and two members of the public) are competitors. They might have real motivation for finding problems with each others' programs. This establishes checks and balances.
Consider this, too-- The state of Montana has been using citizen-involved boards for regulation since its birth as a state. The record is pretty solid and it works very well, at far less cost than more bureaucratic, less democratic structures. This is the same outfit that regulates most health care workers, social workers, psychologists, chem. dep. workers. etc.
In contrast, professions regulated by unwieldy, heavy-handed bureacracies have a far worse record of abuse, injuries, and deaths. Don't forget that all those boot camps in Florida are heavily regulated, and state licensed and managed.
MightyAardvark:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-01 14:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-01 12:30:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
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Thanks for sharing your experience of CCM; I can't deny or agree with anything you say because I've never seen CCM. We were discussing SCL, which does not censor mail,
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Yes it does, or at least to my certain knowledge did so as recently as four months ago.
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has no concrete rooms, and has no locked intervention room. "
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The rooms are wood and plaster but the child is still powerless to leave.
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MA, your "certain knowledge" is incorrect. Mail is not censored. In fact, parents may opt to send mail to and from friends. The only way SCL even knows if that happens is if the child shows staff, or the parents mention it. I know this, because I had occasion to discipline staff who read kids' mail. It's not allowed.
The child is not powerless to leave Intervention, and even "Irish Mom" admits that. They just have to be de-escalated, and agree to stay that way. They're assisted with all kinds of support: They can talk to any staff they ask for, including therapists. They can talk to upper level students and mentors. They can sit or lie down, or they can sleep. It isn't that big a deal.
You've discussed the possibility of a well-run program. In a "well-run" program, what would you consider good options for a student who is escalated to the point of possible harm to herself or someone else?
Intervention as it works at SCL and most programs I've had experience with is simply a time-out, used as a means of de-escalating kids who are still learning how to manage their anger and frustration in a healthy way. It's not punishment.
This is a common model in all kinds of public and private settings, and very few health professionals have a problem with it at all.
I think your concern is sincere but misplaced; you couldn't possibly care more about these kids than the people working with them.
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It is an accepted, although distasteful fact that restraint and removal to a timeout room is the appropriate response for a patient who is escalated to the point of being a danger to themselves or others. I don't have a problem with the therapeutically appropriate use of restraint and timeout.
The children at Spring Creek Lodge are not patients. They are mostly, normal healthy children who have been incarcerated against their will without a conviction or a diagnosis to justify it. This in my view, makes any discussion of therapeutic justification utterly irellevant. These children are not patients, they are prisoners.
As far as anonymous program apologists go you are a very polite and constructive one and for that I thank you. I'd like to think at some point it might be possible to get some sort of dialogue going across the ideological divide. Sadly I instinctively distrust people who lack the courage of their convictions and find it necessary to hide behind anonymity.
However, you doutless have my email address and my AIM address so I'll invite you to message me and maybe you can place some context around some of the documents and evidence I have.
Thankyou too for at least acknowledging the basic nobility of my concern, if not the validity but please. I think that: given that you know nothing of my motivations, experience, credentials, abilities or the sources of information available to me please don't comment on these.
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Troll Control:
"They might have real motivation for finding problems with each others' programs. This establishes checks and balances."
This is rubbish in its entirety. They all collude for profit. Get real.
emaree:
i never said the therapists didn't have degrees. i said they should be stripped.
learn to read, trollie.
emaree:
and the teachers that do have degrees are not there at all times, that was my main point. students DO NOT have access to a degree-holding teacher at every class period. about 1/3 of the time, there are either no teachers in the classrooms (first morning period and last night period), or there are test graders that are simply "aides" with no education. they can do nothing for the students except to try look at answer logs for the tests and help them that way. that is ridiculous, especially when the academics are supposedly so great at SCL. what a joke.
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