Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-04-28 13:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Do you deny that mail to parents are censored?"
Absolutely. What you're confused about here is the level of parent/family involvement. Letters to and from parents are completely private. The only exception is if the PARENT sends a copy to the therapist or family rep.
"Do you deny that education is self paced which is another way of saying no classroom teaching?"
Again, absolutely. Self-paced is your term, and refers only to the speed with which a student completes something. Self-guided describes an individual plan for every child, something private schools have been striving to create for about twenty years. The student gets to run the show, and that's as it should be. Your assumption here seems to be that the teacher is not available. This has no relation to reality.
"Do you deny that isolation is used for punishment?"
Isolation is not used. Period. It is "intervention"--by clinical definition a completely different animal. "
I just had to respond to this. Mail was censord by every staff member I ever had at CCM. Not one letter I sent or recieved was uncensord by a staff memeber. I remember this one horrible staff memeber we had got fired becasue he was writing down girls addresses from their letters and saving them. He had quite a few before they found out and he was fired. He was such a jerk and totally unreasonable, a power hungry ass. He had already done the damage by the time he got fired, it was too little too late.
Ill speak a bit on the education comment as well. I would have really liked it if we had recieved more help with our work by a teacher at CCM. There was a teacher there, but sometimes they didnt even know the answers and would tell me to just look up the right ones. I remember in Geomerty, I really needed a tutor, I was awful at it. I spent 6 months working on 3 chapters or so before my "teacher" just gave up and let me cheat to pass. Id take a test almost every test at least 4 times. What I needed was extra help and someone who knew what they were doing and our math teacher did not. And when you got to the high phase facility, you only had 2 teachers for all the kids there so not alot of individual help there either. It wasnt the worst education ever, but it was pretty close.
And about isolation. Call it whatever you want, your locking a kid up in a small concrete room with no contact with anyone for days is wrong. Even when your out of iso to go eat or go to the bathroom, you cant look at or talk to ANYONE, inclutding the staff member unless its to ask for meds, the bathroom, and other necessities. Ive seen girls get taken down over stupid stuff and end up in iso for long stretches of time. And even when you get out, your back to level 0 0 points and when I was there you went to SH group. Thats just plain WORNG. How can you not see that? I know I was a brainwashed fool at one point to, I banterd on and on about how good the program is and its not abusive and blah blah blah, but after I researched the programs and saw what they do and how they treat patrents and kids, I woke up and realized the truth. WWASP is one big company and they are responsible for the actions of ANY one of those places be it CCM, TB, CSA, it dosnt matter. They preach that a kid is supposed to grow up and be accounatble and integral, but where is their freakin integrity? Where is the accountability for their programs? Why do some people who advocate for programs and say "[insert WWASP program here] wasnt a bad experience for me" look at the bullshit that goes on in other places AND STILL SAY WASSP KNOWS WHAT THEIR TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT THEYRE DOING?
Sorry, I got a bit carried away. It just drives me crazy to hear how people who are most likely not stupid in most other aspects of life, turn into ignorant self righteous morons when it comes to WWASP.
Amanda
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Thanks for sharing your experience of CCM; I can't deny or agree with anything you say because I've never seen CCM. We were discussing SCL, which does not censor mail, has no concrete rooms, and has no locked intervention room.
Anonymous:
You don't need locks if you have a staff ready to 'takedown' whomever doesn't do what they are told. You don't need to censore mail if the only person the kid can write to is their parents (or are you saying they have access to stamps and a mailbox?) and the parents read the letters to the family rep. The isolation rooms at SCL are made of wood, not concrete, but they are still there. Believe me, when you are trapped inside the material it is made of doesn't matter in the least!
MightyAardvark:
--- Quote ---Thanks for sharing your experience of CCM; I can't deny or agree with anything you say because I've never seen CCM. We were discussing SCL, which does not censor mail,
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Yes it does, or at least to my certain knowledge did so as recently as four months ago.
--- Quote --- has no concrete rooms, and has no locked intervention room. "
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The rooms are wood and plaster but the child is still powerless to leave.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-01 12:30:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
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Thanks for sharing your experience of CCM; I can't deny or agree with anything you say because I've never seen CCM. We were discussing SCL, which does not censor mail,
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Yes it does, or at least to my certain knowledge did so as recently as four months ago.
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has no concrete rooms, and has no locked intervention room. "
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The rooms are wood and plaster but the child is still powerless to leave.
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MA, your "certain knowledge" is incorrect. Mail is not censored. In fact, parents may opt to send mail to and from friends. The only way SCL even knows if that happens is if the child shows staff, or the parents mention it. I know this, because I had occasion to discipline staff who read kids' mail. It's not allowed.
The child is not powerless to leave Intervention, and even "Irish Mom" admits that. They just have to be de-escalated, and agree to stay that way. They're assisted with all kinds of support: They can talk to any staff they ask for, including therapists. They can talk to upper level students and mentors. They can sit or lie down, or they can sleep. It isn't that big a deal.
You've discussed the possibility of a well-run program. In a "well-run" program, what would you consider good options for a student who is escalated to the point of possible harm to herself or someone else?
Intervention as it works at SCL and most programs I've had experience with is simply a time-out, used as a means of de-escalating kids who are still learning how to manage their anger and frustration in a healthy way. It's not punishment.
This is a common model in all kinds of public and private settings, and very few health professionals have a problem with it at all.
I think your concern is sincere but misplaced; you couldn't possibly care more about these kids than the people working with them.
Anonymous:
Intervention is used as a punishment, not for de-escalation. The people in charge of making these decisions most likely have no college education, no specialized training to work with kids, and there is no oversight or regulation by anyone. SCL is a business that is supposed to regulate itself, which is somewhat difficult to believe since their number one goal is profit, not the kids. Some of the workers might say the kids are what it is about, or even believe this in their heart, but that is not how their bosses feel. If the staff get to close to kids they will be fired. If they are 'getting soft' with the kids they will be fired. Good hearted staff at SCL do not last long, think about why that is. The only people with any kind of training are the therapists who only come in once in a while and talk to the kids briefly and then charge the parents more money. SCL is nothing but a holding facility for teenagers deemed unmanageable by their parents. The staff are nothing more than guards. Then they create an image of some kind of rural treatment facility that is completely false. SCL is a prison, and a prison with bright painted walls, is still a prison. There are no need for a prison fence, their location acts as a natural defense against running. You either stay or die trying, it's still a prison. Some of the guards in a prison are nice people too, but it doesn't change the situation for those incarcerated, especially if they didn't do anything wrong and had no rights. Welcome to the world of WWASPS. Private kiddy prisons are a profitable business, watch them grow in all their horror.
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