On 2006-04-14 06:30:00, wwasp dad wrote:
" first of all i would like to thank all the people who did reply to the post. alot of the info was very informative, and if nothing else gave me a different spin on things. the link to the video was something that i found very interesting. i new right from the beginning that first and formost that this was a business, especially considering the cost. to answer some of your questions, we have been to the seminars, which i have to admit were quite strange, although i did pick-up SOME useful tools in dealing w/ everyday life. my son is at midwest academy in iowa. as for never being able to communicate without staff around, we have had a couple of off ground visits where i'm sure i would have heard about the severe stuff you guys talk about. of course you all will say he is brainwashed, and or scared of what may happen if he did say something.. well to answer that ahead of time, you don't know my son. i pulled him aside on both of these visits, w/o his mother around and told him to lay it all on me..now he HATES being there but does admit it gave him a different view of choices and life in general..he also had alot to say about how the PROGRAM is so gay,etc. as for the staff, there are some he doesn't care for at all, and others he has a great deal of respect for. we saw one staff member outside the school (coincidental at a local retail store), and if you could of seen how they greeted each other, you would've seen that this wasn't an acting job.
today or tomorrow i'm meeting with an ex-student of this particlar facility, to get his spin on all of this..he has done very well since leaving the place(about 1 year ago). again the reason for this meeting is for more info from all the sources that are available to me.
i will post how that went in the next day or two and hopefully get more input from you folks.
thanks again for your time and input--it's greatly appreciated- - -wwasp dad"
You know, all you have to say is how much he hates it there (as if its a good thing) and there is no intrinsic good from putting someone in a situation they hate and making them suffer.
ToughLove? is bullshit, Im sad to say. Sad to say because Im sick of saying it so much :roll:
The seminars are BUNK. They dont teach a single useful thing except for MAYBE some common sense, and even then it cant justify regressional nonsense. Erhard's attempts at this shit were debunked half a century ago!!!
Let me repeat - This was debunked HALF A CENTURY AGO! Its just rehashed now becuase MOST people in this country, including you, dont have a clue it ever existed, and because in the short term (while youre still trapped in such a facility) it seems effective.
But then again, anyone can force children into compliance if theyre afraid enough of more humiliation or suffering. The problem is theres no thereapy for anything and when hes out of WWASPS the first thing hes going to do, and I will bet you dimes to donuts, is hes going to go get laid, and get high, unless hes actually been washed or is just too afraid to do so.
Would you do otherwise? For fucks sake, wwasps wont even let kids jack off. The internet and this forum especially is absolutely full of what they do - break them down, and make them be extremely obedient to earn even basic rights back, and are severely punished for breaking any rule or disobedience whatsoever, LITERALLY brainwash them, and tell you what you want to hear.
And it seems like now youre afraid of facing what you DONT want to hear, more or less. You cant jsutify locking someone up becuase "well he cant do drugs" or "he hates it there", and it seems like thats the crux of your reasoning.
You cant lock him up forever to keep him away from drugs, and if you could, that would be illegal once he turns 18 and very immoral. And because you cant, he has to learn how to deal with things without having a staff punish him for stepping out of line or brainwashed ala Gilcrease every 6 weeks .
WWASPS doesnt teach you how to live in the real world, thats up to you and actual therapists.
