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« Reply #120 on: April 22, 2006, 10:36:00 PM »
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As for the masturbation, I think it could fall under a 211(violating rules unique to the facility), 308(BRV-blatant rule violation), or a 401E(inappropriate relationship).  I, for one, never had to hand out that consequence...thank God....lol.  That one usually fell to the Night Staff.  Talk about an incredibly stupid consequence!


what was the consequence?  did the night staff do something to them?
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« Reply #121 on: April 22, 2006, 11:23:00 PM »
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As for the masturbation, I think it could fall under a 211(violating rules unique to the facility), 308(BRV-blatant rule violation), or a 401E(inappropriate relationship).  I, for one, never had to hand out that consequence...thank God....lol.  That one usually fell to the Night Staff.  Talk about an incredibly stupid consequence!




what was the consequence?  did the night staff do something to them?"

I was never told by my night staff that any of the girls in our family had done that, but then according to my girls several of our night staff had the habit of falling asleep all the time, so if they missed it I'm not suprised...lol.  Night Staff just handed us the consequence slips the next morning and we recorded them or if they recieved worksheets we sent them to studyhall to work them off.
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« Reply #122 on: April 23, 2006, 11:59:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-22 09:36:00, MightyAardvark wrote:

"I understand that the correct therapeutic use of "timeout" as it is correctly referred to i the psychiatric community is to provide the distressed child with a place to withdraw from the distressing situation. It is additionally my understanding that the child must be free to leave the "timeout" room at any time. Coercive timeouts, properly known as "Isolation" are used to force a child into co-operating with authority figures.

Bottom line, if a child isn't free to leave it ain't therapeutic, it's punitive.

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Maybe you should leave the defining up to clinical professionals, MA. You're way off, according to medical and professional guidelines.
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« Reply #123 on: April 24, 2006, 12:01:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-23 20:59:00, Anonymous wrote:


Maybe you should leave the defining up to clinical professionals, MA. You're way off, according to medical and professional guidelines. "



If you're going to make claims like that please cite your sources.
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« Reply #124 on: April 24, 2006, 12:05:00 AM »
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As for the masturbation, I think it could fall under a 211(violating rules unique to the facility), 308(BRV-blatant rule violation), or a 401E(inappropriate relationship).  I, for one, never had to hand out that consequence...thank God....lol.  That one usually fell to the Night Staff.  Talk about an incredibly stupid consequence!




what was the consequence?  did the night staff do something to them?"


There is no consequence for masturbation, but there might be if you did it publicly or with someone else. Then it would maybe be a CAT 1 for rude behavior. At the same time, public masturbation would probably mean calling in a therapist--either the kids' regular therapist or the staff psychologist.
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« Reply #125 on: April 24, 2006, 02:34:00 AM »
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At the same time, public masturbation would probably mean calling in a therapist--either the kids' regular therapist or the staff psychologist.


Don't the parents already pay for the kids to be receiving treatment? So they only get to see a therapist of psychologist if they are doing something really weird or what? Shouldn't all the kids have access to proper treatment, or only the ones who masturbate in public?
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« Reply #126 on: April 24, 2006, 02:34:00 AM »
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Then it would maybe be a CAT 1 for rude behavior.


Maybe? It's written down in the rules as a CAT 5 offense, why the inconsistency?
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« Reply #127 on: April 24, 2006, 02:42:00 AM »
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Maybe you should leave the defining up to clinical professionals, MA. You're way off, according to medical and professional guidelines.


Do you think clinical professionals would agree with the way kids are treated at SCL?

This is what the Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Nursing has to say about these types of facilities:

The following Declaration was passed by the Board and membership of the Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Nursing at their September 1998 annual meeting *****

A position regarding the detention of minor children in psychiatric treatment facilities, drug and alcohol treatment facilities, residential treatment facilities, and "behavior modification boarding schools."

All children have the right to be treated with dignity and free from mistreatment, abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

ACAPN opposes the abduction and involuntary transport of children to facilities for confinement unless such measures have been clinically justified in specific, operational terms by a licensed mental health professional with the legal authority to do so. In the event that such tactics are necessary for the immediate protection of the child and/or society, the child must have access to an appeal process commensurate with the same right of habeas corpus available to every citizen of the United States of America.

Children have the right to appropriate treatment in the least restrictive available setting in the event that treatment is necessary.

This setting must be one that provides the highest likelihood for improvement and that is not more restrictive of their physical liberty than is needed for their own protection or for the protection of society.

Prior to the child's admission a copy of their rights (written in clear and understandable language) should be given to them and explained to them verbally by a licensed staff member. A duplicate copy should be given to the child's family members(s) or guardian(s). If owing to the child's condition at the time of admission, the child has not understood his/her rights, a licensed staff member will provide an explanation to the child within 24 hours and periodically until some degree of understanding is reached. The necessity for repeating the rights communication process will be documented, signed, and dated. In the event that the child is very young, the rights should be explained to them in a way commensurate with their level of understanding.

Professional registered nurses, as directed by the A.N.A. code of ethics, are obliged to assure that the rights of children and families are in no way violated.

Prior to admission the child and his/her family or guardian(s) has the right to be informed of all institutional rules and regulations and consequence/reward structure concerning their conduct and course of treatment. These should be clearly stated in writing and a copy should be provided to all parties for reference purposes.

Treatment (including behavior modification procedures, therapies, educational activities) provided by any facility, including psychiatric hospitals, drug and alcohol treatment centers, residential treatment facilities, and "behavior modification boarding schools") must be professionally and clinically justifiable. This means that procedures to which children are subjected must be defensible as being within the realm of professional psychiatric standards of practice and affirmed by empirical research data as being appropriate.

ACAPN affirms the right of children to talk and write to persons outside the detainment facility at any time during their detainment without having such communication censored or monitored unless such monitoring is clinically justifiable (and justified) for the safety of  the child or others. This right includes the right to contact an attorney.

ACAPN opposes any prohibition on barriers to communication imposed by any facility including rigid and restrictive visiting policies, policies that restrict parents from visiting their children, limited access to telephones, and barriers to mail service.

ACAPN opposes any and all punitive measures. Children should not be physically restrained (restriction of body parts by device or by placement in an isolated, locked room) unless every avenue of prevention of harm to themselves or others has been exhausted. The successive steps employed in the prevention of aggressive behavior must be clearly stated in specific operational terms. In the event that such restraint becomes necessary it should be done humanely and in accordance to standard aggressive behavior management (ABM) protocol by persons who have been trained and who have received instruction in ABM prior to their exposure to clinical situations. Children's face and head must never be obstructed at anytime. The restraint must be applied while the child is in a supine position. Any medication administered to the child must be ordered by (physician or advanced practice nurse) and administered by a licensed professional. Children should never be left alone while in restraints or while secluded. The duration of physical restraint of any kind should extend only until the child is sufficiently in control of him/herself to no longer pose a threat to themselves or to others.

Restraints must be "broken" every 2 hours at a minimum, the child should be offered fluids, toileting, and vital signs should be taken. Restraint orders must be re-written every 24 hours after the child is evaluated by a licensed professional with legal authority to do so. All restraint procedures must be justified in writing and in specific, individual, operational (as opposed to general) terms.

Children have the right to be cared for in a developmentally appropriate way by competent certified professionals who have had both the salient education and experience commensurate with working with a pediatric population. They have the right to therapies that are rendered by persons who have the appropriate education and training in those therapies. Treatment and therapies must be temporally and developmentally geared in such a way that they are meaningful to children.

Children have the right to have access to an advocacy group (such as Advocacy Inc.) as well as access to support groups such as the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. Advocacy groups and their telephone numbers should displayed in a prominent place where all patients can see them. When advocates are called, they must have free access to patients/clients.

Children have the right to review the information in their medical record with supervision. The right extends to the child's family or guardian.

Children have the right to have their records kept private and to be told about the conditions under which information about them will be disclosed without their permission.

Children and their families have the right to a treatment plan that is individually developed for their situations as well as the treatment plan for care after they leave the facility. This treatment plan should be developed in collaboration with children and families and should be monitored for appropriateness and for patient progress with their participation on a specified, regular basis by a team of therapists.

Children and families have the right to be told about the care, procedures, and treatment that they are given in terms that they will understand.

Children and families have the right to be informed about the staff members who are their caregivers. This means information such as professional discipline, job title, and responsibilities. In addition, they have the right to know about any proposed change in the appointment of professional staff members who are responsible for their care.

Custodial parents may request that their voluntarily admitted child(ren) be released from any hospital or institution within 72 hours without any delay on the part of the facility. ACAPN opposes the use of any coercive tactics designed to compel parents to reverse their decisions to withdraw their child(ren) from treatment.

Custodial parents may request that their involuntarily admitted child(ren) be released from any hospital or institution within 72 hours without any delay on the part of the facility. ACAPN opposes the use of any coercive tactics designed to compel parents to reverse their decisions to withdraw their child(ren) from treatment. Children and families have the right to a copy of the institutional billing that is done directly to the third party payer. This billing must clearly specify in specific lay terms what service was rendered, when it was rendered, and what was charged for the service.



Now count how many items on that list are broken everyday by SCL. Every single one listed. Pathetic.
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« Reply #128 on: April 24, 2006, 09:42:00 AM »
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Maybe you should leave the defining up to clinical professionals, MA. You're way off, according to medical and professional guidelines.



Do you think clinical professionals would agree with the way kids are treated at SCL?



This is what the Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Nursing has to say about these types of facilities:



The following Declaration was passed by the Board and membership of the Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Nursing at their September 1998 annual meeting *****



A position regarding the detention of minor children in psychiatric treatment facilities, drug and alcohol treatment facilities, residential treatment facilities, and "behavior modification boarding schools."



All children have the right to be treated with dignity and free from mistreatment, abuse, neglect, and exploitation.



ACAPN opposes the abduction and involuntary transport of children to facilities for confinement unless such measures have been clinically justified in specific, operational terms by a licensed mental health professional with the legal authority to do so. In the event that such tactics are necessary for the immediate protection of the child and/or society, the child must have access to an appeal process commensurate with the same right of habeas corpus available to every citizen of the United States of America.



Children have the right to appropriate treatment in the least restrictive available setting in the event that treatment is necessary.



This setting must be one that provides the highest likelihood for improvement and that is not more restrictive of their physical liberty than is needed for their own protection or for the protection of society.



Prior to the child's admission a copy of their rights (written in clear and understandable language) should be given to them and explained to them verbally by a licensed staff member. A duplicate copy should be given to the child's family members(s) or guardian(s). If owing to the child's condition at the time of admission, the child has not understood his/her rights, a licensed staff member will provide an explanation to the child within 24 hours and periodically until some degree of understanding is reached. The necessity for repeating the rights communication process will be documented, signed, and dated. In the event that the child is very young, the rights should be explained to them in a way commensurate with their level of understanding.



Professional registered nurses, as directed by the A.N.A. code of ethics, are obliged to assure that the rights of children and families are in no way violated.



Prior to admission the child and his/her family or guardian(s) has the right to be informed of all institutional rules and regulations and consequence/reward structure concerning their conduct and course of treatment. These should be clearly stated in writing and a copy should be provided to all parties for reference purposes.



Treatment (including behavior modification procedures, therapies, educational activities) provided by any facility, including psychiatric hospitals, drug and alcohol treatment centers, residential treatment facilities, and "behavior modification boarding schools") must be professionally and clinically justifiable. This means that procedures to which children are subjected must be defensible as being within the realm of professional psychiatric standards of practice and affirmed by empirical research data as being appropriate.



ACAPN affirms the right of children to talk and write to persons outside the detainment facility at any time during their detainment without having such communication censored or monitored unless such monitoring is clinically justifiable (and justified) for the safety of  the child or others. This right includes the right to contact an attorney.



ACAPN opposes any prohibition on barriers to communication imposed by any facility including rigid and restrictive visiting policies, policies that restrict parents from visiting their children, limited access to telephones, and barriers to mail service.



ACAPN opposes any and all punitive measures. Children should not be physically restrained (restriction of body parts by device or by placement in an isolated, locked room) unless every avenue of prevention of harm to themselves or others has been exhausted. The successive steps employed in the prevention of aggressive behavior must be clearly stated in specific operational terms. In the event that such restraint becomes necessary it should be done humanely and in accordance to standard aggressive behavior management (ABM) protocol by persons who have been trained and who have received instruction in ABM prior to their exposure to clinical situations. Children's face and head must never be obstructed at anytime. The restraint must be applied while the child is in a supine position. Any medication administered to the child must be ordered by (physician or advanced practice nurse) and administered by a licensed professional. Children should never be left alone while in restraints or while secluded. The duration of physical restraint of any kind should extend only until the child is sufficiently in control of him/herself to no longer pose a threat to themselves or to others.



Restraints must be "broken" every 2 hours at a minimum, the child should be offered fluids, toileting, and vital signs should be taken. Restraint orders must be re-written every 24 hours after the child is evaluated by a licensed professional with legal authority to do so. All restraint procedures must be justified in writing and in specific, individual, operational (as opposed to general) terms.



Children have the right to be cared for in a developmentally appropriate way by competent certified professionals who have had both the salient education and experience commensurate with working with a pediatric population. They have the right to therapies that are rendered by persons who have the appropriate education and training in those therapies. Treatment and therapies must be temporally and developmentally geared in such a way that they are meaningful to children.



Children have the right to have access to an advocacy group (such as Advocacy Inc.) as well as access to support groups such as the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. Advocacy groups and their telephone numbers should displayed in a prominent place where all patients can see them. When advocates are called, they must have free access to patients/clients.



Children have the right to review the information in their medical record with supervision. The right extends to the child's family or guardian.



Children have the right to have their records kept private and to be told about the conditions under which information about them will be disclosed without their permission.



Children and their families have the right to a treatment plan that is individually developed for their situations as well as the treatment plan for care after they leave the facility. This treatment plan should be developed in collaboration with children and families and should be monitored for appropriateness and for patient progress with their participation on a specified, regular basis by a team of therapists.



Children and families have the right to be told about the care, procedures, and treatment that they are given in terms that they will understand.



Children and families have the right to be informed about the staff members who are their caregivers. This means information such as professional discipline, job title, and responsibilities. In addition, they have the right to know about any proposed change in the appointment of professional staff members who are responsible for their care.



Custodial parents may request that their voluntarily admitted child(ren) be released from any hospital or institution within 72 hours without any delay on the part of the facility. ACAPN opposes the use of any coercive tactics designed to compel parents to reverse their decisions to withdraw their child(ren) from treatment.



Custodial parents may request that their involuntarily admitted child(ren) be released from any hospital or institution within 72 hours without any delay on the part of the facility. ACAPN opposes the use of any coercive tactics designed to compel parents to reverse their decisions to withdraw their child(ren) from treatment. Children and families have the right to a copy of the institutional billing that is done directly to the third party payer. This billing must clearly specify in specific lay terms what service was rendered, when it was rendered, and what was charged for the service.






Now count how many items on that list are broken everyday by SCL. Every single one listed. Pathetic."



"Professional registered nurses, as directed by the A.N.A. code of ethics, are obliged to assure that the rights of children and families are in no way violated."

Yeah, right.


"ACAPN affirms the right of children to talk and write to persons outside the detainment facility at any time during their detainment without having such communication censored or monitored unless such monitoring is clinically justifiable (and justified) for the safety of  the child or others. This right includes the right to contact an attorney."



Already proven to not be happening at SCL.


"ACAPN opposes any prohibition on barriers to communication imposed by any facility including rigid and restrictive visiting policies, policies that restrict parents from visiting their children, limited access to telephones, and barriers to mail service."

And again....


"Children and families have the right to be informed about the staff members who are their caregivers. This means information such as professional discipline, job title, and responsibilities. In addition, they have the right to know about any proposed change in the appointment of professional staff members who are responsible for their care."



There is one Family Mom who has been with almost every family out there.  They keep moving her around because she freaks out and starts bawling almost every other day saying she can't handle the family she's in.  Family parents are changed all the time without any notice to the kids at all, and sometimes even the staff aren't aware that they're being moved out until it's done.

The supposed "Nurse" that they have out there is a total joke!  She is by far the most incompetent person on the facility.  She has initiated improper treatment many, many times, has missed things that even a trainee should have caught. I know for a fact that several staff witnessed her "injecting herself with an emergency bee sting kit instead of the student when she couldn't figure out how to use it.  

This is the kind of "Professional" care they have for our kids out there!
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« Reply #129 on: April 24, 2006, 02:18:00 PM »
If there is no punishment for masterbation then the former staff member who posted here and thought it was a Cat 2 is wrong? How come there is a whole sexuality thread which affirms punishment for masturbation by WWASP facilities/ Is it your position that all of these people are lying? Are you a former inmate or staff? I ask the question because I want to know how you obtained your information to evaluate for veracity. If someone could write the consequences for violations of each category that would be helpful for those who have never experienced the delights of the lodge.[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-04-24 11:35 ]
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« Reply #130 on: April 24, 2006, 02:25:00 PM »
Why are we even talking about masturbating in programs?

Oh, wait, you have to remove any and all means for emotional release and comfort except for moving up in the program for a kid in said program... right.

BTW, funny how IVe heard lots of people developed at least circumstantial homosexuality while in these programs, and some were thrown in for being a little too gay/lesbian, huh.  :rofl:
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« Reply #131 on: April 24, 2006, 02:44:00 PM »
This mom says her kid was punished:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#36679

In this thread where there is more on the topic.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 54&forum=9
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« Reply #132 on: April 24, 2006, 04:56:00 PM »
It wasn't on the consequence list, but I know several girls who were given anywhere from a cat 3 blatent rule violation to a cat 4 insubordination for masturbating.

It's inconsistent, like everything else.
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« Reply #133 on: April 24, 2006, 05:25:00 PM »
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At the same time, public masturbation would probably mean calling in a therapist--either the kids' regular therapist or the staff psychologist.



Don't the parents already pay for the kids to be receiving treatment? So they only get to see a therapist of psychologist if they are doing something really weird or what? Shouldn't all the kids have access to proper treatment, or only the ones who masturbate in public?"

Kids can see a therapist any time they want. That's in addition to regular visits.
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« Reply #134 on: April 24, 2006, 07:39:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-23 23:34:00, Anonymous wrote:


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At the same time, public masturbation would probably mean calling in a therapist--either the kids' regular therapist or the staff psychologist.





Don't the parents already pay for the kids to be receiving treatment? So they only get to see a therapist of psychologist if they are doing something really weird or what? Shouldn't all the kids have access to proper treatment, or only the ones who masturbate in public?"


Kids can see a therapist any time they want. That's in addition to regular visits. "


There is a difference between saying "kids can see a therapist" and actually offering them real help.  In programs, therapists are program employees who allow the parents to tell the intake employees what the child's issues are, sometimes even before they meet the child.  So if the child and parent have conflict, they have a "disrespect to parents" issue.  The therapist determines when the child will "graduate the program", and we've determined through other posts that this doesn't mean anything or have any predetermined, specific qualifications.  The therapists are WWASP whores who will do what they are told by administration.  They do not advocate for the best interests of the patients in their care.  Having access to additional therapy sessions is completely pointless and just serves as another way to plump up the monthly bills.
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