Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
son in WWASP program
CCM girl 1989:
--- Quote ---On 2006-04-13 16:48:00, wwasp dad wrote:
" i'm just curious, were you in a wwasp school?? if not,where are you getting your info
thanks, wwasp dad
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--- End quote ---
I was in Cross Creek Manor back in 1989, and I never in my wildess dreams thought they would have multiplied in such great numbers. I only found out back in July when my husband and I moved, and I had some extra time so I looked up Cross Creek Manor, and discovered this whole sick mess.
I basically have devoted in the last 8 months 2 hours a day toward researching them, and what they are doing. I also talk to a lot of former students, as well as parents. I know a lot about them, and I pass along a lot of information to news and government agencies. I am doing everything in my power to put a stop to this.
It's pretty unbelievable what they are getting away with. The more you research them, the more you will see what I am talking about. I want you to do your homework.
You also have not told us which program your son is at? In order for us to be able to help you, I want you to tell us that much. Not only that, but it will help with your credibility. All to often we get people on here pretending to be former students, and or parents that praise the program, but cannot give us dates as far when they attended or when their kids attended. Through a series of questions we are able to find out if you are real or not. We have really good BS detectors! We are more then willing to help, and want to, but honesty is very important.
Anonymous:
sorry to disillusion you dad but these guys are right on. Your son's nose isn't in a pile of meth because he's locked up but some day he is going to have to deal with the real world. What you have here is a temporary fix, like all drugs. These schools are not "theraputic" in any sense of the word. They are brutal, demeaning, demoralizing and abusive. They are run by ill-educated (if at all) people with piles of their own problems they put on the kids. I am a parent. My daughter's psychotic father had her kidnapped and shipped out to one. It took three weeks for me to get her out but the damage done was enormous. She was just 13, innocent, with a beautiful,feisty spirit. She suffered years of post traumatic stress and finally hanged herself.
It sounds like you really care about your son. I am sorry there is not better news about these places and I do wish you luck with helping your son.
emaree:
I agree with the above poster. The reason WWASP is such a lucrative business is that good people who love their children will do anything to see them happy and successful. But at some point you have to realize that this isn't the way to do it. I hope that everything works out for you, and that you look into yourself and make the right decision.
001010:
"and the thing that scares him more then anything is the thought of that drug, and what would happen if he did it just once again........... "
This is what scares me most of all about your post. You're acting as if your son, living in terror, is good. What if he has a relapse once he gets out? He's of age at this point, and now firmly believes that if he "goes back to his old ways" he'll end up, deadinjailorinsane! What then? Allow him to kill himself, believing that now, his life will amount to nothing since he "went back," so he proceeds to place himself in danger, while seething with self-hatred, his mind encompassed with the idea that he?s a worthless piece of garbage, now?
Because that's what these places program your mind to, not just think, but know. So, what then? How about ten years of therapy and de-programming? Do you know what de-programming is?
That's the scariest part of all, I think. People just don't realize what these places are doing to these kids.
[Q] What happens when you murder a child's free will?
[A] You have a prisoner of thought, based on choices he was forced to make, rooted in
Fear and Humiliation.
There are other ways of raising a child besides breaking them, right? Like love and attention... time, patience, responsibility?
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Nihilanthic:
Got some questions for ya:
Do you know what WWASPS does, or how it does it?
We do, and we can tell you all youd ever want to know about it, too.
Do you know of any study showing that programs are effective at reducing redivism rates for anything?
We dont either. We do know plenty about bootcamps, but not programs, that show theres no change, and while one study does exist regarding a single program, "academy at swift river" it has no control group, and itself admits that theres no way to know if it was effective or not.
It also detailed how it basically abused children to make them do what the staff wanted them to do.
The only thing WWAPSS is doing is scaring, torturing and humiliating him into doing as told. As soon as hes out of there, and eventually he will be, he wont have someone forcing him to do as told, and hell do what he wants.
How likely do you think it is the first thing hes going to do is tell you and everything to do with the program, and everyONE to do with the program, to fuck off, and probably go crazy?
Do you even know about the seminars, and what they do? Do you know about the level system?
Im sure youre scared for your childs well being, otherwise you wouldnt have forfitted your child, contact with your child, and an assload of money, but youre buying smoke and mirrors - temporary piece of mind for *YOU* at the cost of his well being, and potentially his future. There is no proof these programs work, whatsoever, and if you draw an analogue to another behavior mod system, bootcamps, theyre shown to NOT work, by innumerable studies, and also to cause lots of problems for the people who are in them later on down the line.
Plus, if you care, they're abusing him. Hes living in a world of fear of punishment and is totally isolated from everything except that program, even you. If thats what you want, then fine, in this nation youre able to treat him as chattel property until he turns 18 - but this is solving nothing, and giving him more problems to deal with himself. And even if it does brainwash him, its going to wear off in a few years at most.
So, take your pick - spend thousands of dollars on a temporary fix for YOUR piece of mind at the cost of his own, or cut your losses, pull him out, and find some actual therapy for whatever problems he had before, PLUS what WWASPS did to him now.
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