Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Mission Mountain School
comparing: rights vs MMS verision of our rights
Anonymous:
TOTO, WE'RE NOT AT MMS ANY MORE- I never saw this available or these rights granted (b/c MMS is unregulated)- yet MMs comes very close to acting as a behavioral inaptient facility as defined below given it advertises that it accepts those with mental illness and co-disoreders (addiction- or possible- more likely- addictive behaviors)- only it's unlicensed- In other words, any fool can open up shop and call themselves Mission Mountian Schoool:
2) "Behavioral health inpatient facility" means a licensed facility of 16 beds or less designated by the department that:
(a) may be a freestanding licensed hospital or a distinct part of another licensed hospital and that is capable of providing inpatient psychiatric services, including services to persons with mental illness and co-occurring chemical dependency; and
2) Each mental health facility shall publish policies and procedures that define the facility's guidelines for detecting, reporting, investigating, determining the validity, and resolving allegations of abuse or neglect.
10) "Mental health facility" or "facility" means .... a residential treatment facility, or a residential treatment center licensed or certified by the department that provides treatment to children or adults with a mental disorder.
(11) "Mental health professional" means:
OF WHICH JOHN IS NOT:
(a) a certified professional person;
(b) a physician licensed under Title 37, chapter 3;
(c) a professional counselor licensed under Title 37, chapter 23;
(d) a psychologist licensed under Title 37, chapter 17;
(e) a social worker licensed under Title 37, chapter 22; or
(12) (a) "Neglect" means failure to provide for the biological and psychosocial needs of any person receiving treatment in a mental health facility, failure to report abuse, or failure to exercise supervisory responsibilities to protect patients from abuse and neglect.
(i) deprivation of food, shelter, appropriate clothing, nursing care, or other services;
(ii) failure to follow a prescribed plan of care and treatment; or
MMS DID NOT PROIDE US WITH A MENTAL DISABILITIES BOARD TO ENSURE OUR SAFETY AND THAT WE WERE TREATED HUMANELY
53-21-104. Powers and duties of mental disabilities board of visitors. (1) The board is an independent board of inquiry and review that is responsible to ensure that the treatment of all persons either voluntarily or involuntarily admitted to a mental facility in Montana is humane, is consistent with established clinical and other professional standards, and meets the requirements set forth in this part.
(2) The board shall review all plans for experimental research involving persons admitted to a mental health facility to ensure that each research project is humane and not unduly hazardous and that it complies with the principles of the statement on the use of human subjects for research of the American association on mental deficiency and with the principles for research involving human subjects required by the United States department of health and human services. An activity considered to be an experimental research project and that involves a person or persons admitted to a mental health facility affected by this part may not be commenced unless it is approved by the mental disabilities board of visitors.
(3) (a) The board shall inspect every mental health facility that provides treatment or evaluation to any person pursuant to this part.
(b) The board shall annually establish a schedule for the inspection of mental health facilities that enables the board to meet its obligation under subsection (1).
THIS SECTION GOES ON AND ON, BUT ESSENTIALY THE GIST OF IT IS THAT THE RECORDS THAT THESE INSPECTIONS AND RECORDS ARE TO BE MADE PUBLIC. IF MMS HAD ANYTHING LIKE THIS, MUCH OF THE STUFF THAT WENT ON THERE AND, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, CONTINUES TO GO ON, WOULD BE (LIKELY) CAUGHT UNDER THIS BOARDS SCRUTINY AND INSPECTION.
(7) (a) If the board believes that any facility is failing to comply with the provisions of this part in regard to its physical facilities or its treatment of any person, it shall report its findings in writing to the professional person in charge of the facility and the director of the department.
MY PERSONAL FAVORITE- GIVEN JOHN'S LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY AND AFFILIATION AT MMS, BUT HIS OBVIOUS LACK OF EDUCATION- THIS WOULD NIP THAT IN THE BUD. tHERE'S JUST NO WAY JOHN WOULD BE 'DIRECTOR' OF ANY PROGRAM GIVEN HIS LACK OF EDUCATION/CREDENTIALS, ETC ETC. AND ONE WOULD HOPE, THE OPPOSITION GIVEN HIS MISTREATMENT OF MANY OF US. IF MMS WERE LEGIT, JOHN WOULD NOT BE RUNNING THAT FACILITY
53-21-107. Abuse and neglect of persons admitted to mental health facility prohibited -- reporting -- investigations. (1) Any form of abuse or neglect of a person admitted to a mental health facility is prohibited.
(2) Each mental health facility shall publish policies and procedures that define the facility's guidelines for detecting, reporting, investigating, determining the validity, and resolving allegations of abuse or neglect.
(4) Each mental health facility shall provide a mechanism for reporting allegations of abuse or neglect that in no way deters or discourages an individual from reporting the allegations. ****
UMMM, HOW'S NO UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO PHONES OR ADVOCATES OR PARENTS (OR PARENTS TOLD NOT TO BELEIVE YOU B/C YOU'RE MANIPULATIVE), CALLED 'MMS BASHER' WHEN CRITICAL, CALLED 'MANIUPULATIVE' WHEN CRITICAL, FORCED TO WORK OR EXCERCISE- PUNISHED IN SOME WAY OR PLACED ON INTERVENTION B/C OF CREATING AN 'UNDERGROUND' WHICH MEANS SPEAKING FREELY ABOUT THE SCHOOL A NON-DETERRENT. WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN MISTREATMENT IS PART OF 'THE PROGRAM'--- WELL, JOHN'S PROGRAM?
(2) The department, with reference to recognized national standards in the field of mental health, shall adopt standards and rules governing the certification of professional persons as defined in 53-21-102.
(3) The rules for certification must address but are not limited to:
(d) an examination instrument to be used to determine an individual's proficiency and understanding of mental health laws, diagnosis, and treatment procedures;
(e) the procedure for categorical certification qualifying the level of professional authority and responsibility of an individual; and
RIGHT TO COUNSEL- WHICH OF COURSE WAS NOT AFFORDED TO US BY MMS
(4) Except as provided by this subsection, voluntary admission of a minor to a mental health facility for an inpatient course of treatment is for the same period of time as that for an adult. A minor voluntarily admitted with consent of the minor's parent or guardian has the right to be released within 5 days of a request by the parent or guardian as provided in 53-21-111(3). A minor who has been admitted without consent by a parent or guardian, pursuant to subsection (2), may also make a request and also has the right to be released within 5 days as provided in 53-21-111(3). Unless there has been a periodic review and a voluntary readmission consented to by the parent or guardian in the case of a minor patient or consented to by the minor alone in the case of a minor patient who is at least 16 years of age, voluntary admission terminates at the expiration of 1 year. Counsel must be appointed for the minor at the minor's request or at any time that the minor is faced with potential legal proceedings.
53-21-114. Notice of rights to be given. (1) Whenever a person is involuntarily detained pursuant to 53-21-121 through 53-21-126, the person shall at the time of detention be informed of his constitutional rights and his rights under this part. Within 3 days of such detention, he must also be informed in writing by the county attorney of such rights.
(2) Every respondent subject to an order for short-term treatment or long-term care and treatment shall be advised in writing of his right to appeal the order by the court at the conclusion of any hearing the result of which such an order may be entered.
EVEN THE LAW IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS UNDERSTAND- THAT LEAST RESTRICTIVE IS BETTER... BECAUSE OUR PARENTS OVER-REACTED OR HAD NO LOCAL COMMUNITY BASED ALTERNATIVE- OR IT HASN'T DEVELOPED YET, MANY OF US WERE UNECCESARILY LOCKED UP... THINGS LIKE DIGNITY AND RESEPECT AND DEVELOPMENT OF SOCIAL SKILLS THAT DON'T FORM WHEN YOU'RE RESTRICTIVELY DETAINED
53-21-120. Detention to be in least restrictive environment -- preference for mental health facility -- court relief -- prehearing detention of mentally ill person prohibited. (1) A person detained pursuant to this part must be detained in the least restrictive environment required to protect the life and physical safety of the person detained or members of the public; in this respect, prevention of significant injury to property may be considered.
2) Whenever possible, a person detained pursuant to this part must be detained in a mental health facility and in the county of residence. If the person detained demands a jury trial and the trial cannot be held within 7 days, subject to the provisions in 53-21-193, the individual may be sent to the state hospital or a behavioral health inpatient facility until the time of trial if arrangements can be made to return the person to trial. The trial must be held within 30 days. The county of residence shall pay the cost of travel and professional services associated with the trial. A person may not be detained in any hospital or other medical facility that is not a mental health facility unless the hospital or facility has agreed in writing to admit the person.
TO BE INVOLUNTARYLY DETAINED THE FOLLOWING MUST BE PROVEN:
The trial must be limited to the determination of whether or not the respondent is suffering from a mental disorder and requires commitment
a) whether the respondent, because of a mental disorder, is substantially unable to provide for the respondent's own basic needs of food, clothing, shelter, health, or safety;
(b) whether the respondent has recently, because of a mental disorder and through an act or an omission, caused self-injury or injury to others;
(c) whether, because of a mental disorder, there is an imminent threat of injury to the respondent or to others because of the respondent's acts or omissions; and
.... CONTINUES FROM ABOVE... BASICALLY WE KNOW MOST OF HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEAVE MMS AT ANY MOMENT.
poncho:
--- Quote ---On 2006-04-09 17:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-09 14:01:00, poncho wrote:
I have never had all of those rights in any facility I've been in.
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Really?? I beleive all mental heatlh facilities are required to provide you with access to an advocate, ability to contest placement and access to payphone and visitors... perhaps you are reffering to unregulated facilities, which find the loop hole in the law by calling themseleves something else.
This is true of every psych ward at least."
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I have been in regulated psych wards and we were given copies of rights and policies, however being under 18 we had to have a phone list and call only people on that list which was decided by parents. Visitors also had to be over a certain age. Exceptions could be made if Dr. ordered. Some magazines were restricted. Mail was not censored but was opened with supervision in case of contriband. Also with any psych ward belongings that could be used to harm were locked up and signed out. Patients weren't allowed outside unless they were safe enough to do so. I'm not sure the accuracy of those rights for minors. Of course anything can be taken to court, but for them most part parents make the decsions. Its easier for a parent to get a court order for one to stay in a facility, then for a minor to get one to leave. I have seen those rights given to adults. I'm really wondering the loop poles with those rights applying to minors. Obviously our rights were infringed upon at mms which was mostly allowed to be done because it was unregulated.
I think there is more to it because at mms if you were under 18 and ran away then it could be pursued by the police. If you were over 18 then nothing could be done about it.
Although I just remembered something. that may be true because your parents sign a form to make MMS a legal guardian. I wonder if that has to do with anything.
Anonymous:
MMS as legal gaurdian I suppose may be held to different standards, that is they don't have to prove they are really practicing therapy bc technically they are not a 'residential treatment facility'- so you're not being 'placed' in a mental health facility- but given the level of restriction, it's far worse than that becasue they are simply locking kids up, essentially. Running them ragged, punishing them and pretending to practice therapy...well, in instances where John is invovled.
I guess it's akin to being in an abusive home, where you're grounded for 2 years. The problem is that kids don't 'want' to runaway because, I suspect, most kids, like parents believe John's yells and work outs/workcrew is 'therapeutic' despite this being unfound and his methods proven harmful, given they follow the boot camp intimidation/punitive approach. Then we are all convinved it's our 'last chance'-- none of us are/were bad kids, I think we mostly wanted love and understanding and to get along in the world... so we stick around, fearing losing the love of our family forever, or perhaps never recovering... But, if we were to have runaway and explained the abusive nature, then someone would have to investigate. The nature of the environement and all it's insidious manipulation makes that extremely difficult.... if people run, they run as fast as they can... b/c they fail to recognize the abusive elements or fear not being beleived or that it would be accepted as a work camp, essentially... which is, in part, what it is. Nothing wrong with that if it weren't so excessive and used in the way it was- taken alone much of what MMS is isn't awful- but it's the coercion and the system of rewards and punishment for non-disclosue as 'therapeutic'... just all the made up shit and the justification, MMS as a whole and it's execution is an extremely harmful sham.
And we can just see now how things are, no one can work with John... the man is a tyrant.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-04-10 17:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
But, if we were to have runaway and explained the abusive nature, then someone would have to investigate. The nature of the environement and all it's insidious manipulation makes that extremely difficult.... they fail to recognize the abusive elements or fear not being beleived or that it would be accepted as a work camp, essentially... which is, in part, what it is.
And we can just see now how things are, no one can work with John... the man is a tyrant."
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Your right, it's John's manipulation. He is so full of shit and he messes with people's heads, it's sickening! Playing favorites, narcissism, all of it. What do you know while you're there, but that you can get out. Too young to put into words what's happening, but I think at some level we all knew something was wrong, even if we were forced to say otherwise. The weird thing was how long it takes to recover from that and calm yourself down to speak the truth. That's the mind fuck right there, 100%
Anonymous:
Out of sheer curiousity... how long ago did u attend MMS? And for how long?
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