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« Reply #120 on: April 09, 2006, 10:34:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-09 00:59:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Could you try that in the form of a haiku?

Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll  forgive Thy great big one on me.
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HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!     :rofl:

TWG, you make me laugh.

That said, I'm not clear on certain issues, so please bear with me- what did Sue Scheff do?[ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2006-04-09 07:38 ]
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« Reply #121 on: April 09, 2006, 10:48:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-08 22:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The parent in the Bethel case asked ISAC to publish that court case.  That is not related to the Whitmore Academy."


Same parent who put their kid in Bethel to begin with? There's sound judgement!

Look you guys. "Izzy" actually contacted me asking WTF!! I know why she took the litigation link down. She's concerned. What with all the shit talkin', there still remains a valid argument over whether or not to dedact the names of minors.

Public documents are public documents. That's part of how our adversarial system works. We're not supposed to go running to the courts (i.e. envoking force of law) over every petty dispute. When you take a matter to the public courts, the matter becomes public. That's part of the system, just like the often painful, arduous discovery process.

But, on the other hand, these kids have very little say and (often) even less capacity to give informed consent. I'm all for dedacting the names of minors, regardless of what the parents think. I find that thinking is not the parents strongest suit.

But WTF is this???? 130 post long come down rap on someone who's not even involved?

If I had to venture a guess, I'd say Isabelle's "crime" was to mistake ISAC for sane, rational, kind people; to get involved in their endevours. I know all about that. No good deed ever goes unpunished.

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« Reply #122 on: April 09, 2006, 10:49:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-08 21:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The Whitmore Academy page on CAICA is not working either. Did IZZY cave into Sue Scheff at PURE and take down everything about Whitmore Academy?


Anon, did you talk to her about the Whit pages at all? What was the result of that conversation?

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« Reply #123 on: April 09, 2006, 06:14:00 PM »


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« Reply #124 on: April 09, 2006, 06:46:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-06 13:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Anon who doesn't understand the issue here.

Just google "Isabelle Zehnder and Majestic Ranch" and READ!!!



Read this article in the Salt Lake City Tribune by Kristen Stewart.



This will give you a little understanding of how this woman sticks her nose into things she knows nothing about, and screws up an investigation, and in the NAME OF "helping kids."



That should get you started."


here's some excerpts and comments from
http://www.youthrights.org/forums/archi ... -2781.html

A few things should be clarified in Kirten Stewart's March 2, 2005, article in the Salt Lake City Tribune, ?State?s Oversight of School Lambasted?.

Director Tammy Johnson said the complaints were fabricated by "disgruntled" ex-employees and that the report's author Isabelle Zehnder, has phoned the school "harassing employees" and posing as a CPS caseworker. [ :roll: yep, how many times have we seen that one? call asking legitmate questions and you're labeled a terrorist.]

Yes, the employees are disgruntled. Anyone who reads their sworn affidavits at http://www.kidsincaptivity.com (http://www.kidsincaptivity.com/) will agree they are. Disgruntled employees are employees who are upset about their work environment or conditions. All four knew that the abuse and deplorable conditions were wrong and they were courageous enough to come forward. They should be believed since, after all, they were willing to give sworn affidavits, and they should be commended.

Isabelle Zehnder categorically denied Tammy?s allegation that she called the ranch several times posing as a Child Protective Services (?CPS?) worker. She has only called Majestic Ranch once, and that was the time she spoke with Wayne Winder, as indicated in her affidavit. She has never posed as a CPS worker.

Tammy appears to be attacking the messenger because she did not like the message. I urge the readers to read the report and decide for themselves, again at http://www.kidsincaptivity.com (http://www.kidsincaptivity.com/).

Please, remember to send your letters to the governor as the bill will be on his desk soon. If he signs the bill, facilities like Majestic Ranch will have to be licensed, as step in the right direction.
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is this what you consider, "sticks her nose into things she knows nothing about, and screws up an investigation"?
thank you IZ!! for sticking your nose where some believe it doesn't belong.
most of us who've been around the block a few times know that the CPS office in Utah is first and formost concerned about the program. they don't shut anyone down unless there is significant media attention, and/or charges filed by the DA. hell, Sisco wrote an article posted on the CPS website promoting wilderness programs.

when CPS neglects to do their job, sometimes it takes a lone angel with a large ego (and preferably a hot poker) to go in and get things stirred up.
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« Reply #125 on: April 09, 2006, 08:15:00 PM »
I believe Tammy Johnson used to be Tammy Prince (maiden name) who took care of enrolling and touring parents for Cross Creek Manor.
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« Reply #126 on: April 10, 2006, 12:13:00 AM »
The report is no longer at http://www.kidsincaptivity.com, but rather now at http://www.caica.org; go to Facility Watch, scroll down to Majestic Ranch, and once on that page, you will find the report. Oh, heck, here's the link:
http://caica.org/KIC%20Main.htm
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« Reply #127 on: April 10, 2006, 02:26:00 PM »
When no one has got your back and you go at it alone, that hot poker is bound to burn out.  Hence, the importance of RESPECT and the ability to work with others rather than bad mouth them or act in such a way that alienates people.

The emphasis placed on I. Zhender, the level self-importance is a huge turn off, it's branding as if it's a selling point, like COKE ...only it's for the children!!!
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« Reply #128 on: April 10, 2006, 02:28:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-09 21:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The report is no longer at http://www.kidsincaptivity.com, but rather now at http://www.caica.org; go to Facility Watch, scroll down to Majestic Ranch, and once on that page, you will find the report. Oh, heck, here's the link:

http://caica.org/KIC%20Main.htm"


case in point, Zhender reports?  How about Majestic Ranch reports?  If it's about the kids, then make it about the kids.
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« Reply #129 on: April 10, 2006, 11:46:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-10 11:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

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When no one has got your back and you go at it alone, that hot poker is bound to burn out.  Hence, the importance of RESPECT and the ability to work with others rather than bad mouth them or act in such a way that alienates people.



The emphasis placed on I. Zhender, the level self-importance is a huge turn off, it's branding as if it's a selling point, like COKE ...only it's for the children!!! "


Who shall I believe; you or my own lyin' eyes?
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« Reply #130 on: April 11, 2006, 12:35:00 PM »
Crickets chirping nice! One thing I do like about Caica's website is that link to the Inside Edition show where they are arresting Narvin Lichfield (owner of Dundee Ranch, now Pillars of Hope?)

I love it! Then after giving an interview he takes them into Dundee for a mini-tour. He takes them to one of the dorm rooms, which is no bigger then my bedroom here at home, infact smaller! There are 5 bunk beds which are stacked 3 beds high = 15 kids in this room. The reporter says wow, this is a little cramped, 15 kids stay in here? Narvin is like oh no it never housed more then 12! The reporter is like but I count 15 bunks?????

There must have been some law about not having more then 12 kids to a room? Or they were warned about it? God, Narvin sure is a dumb fucker! I watched that video atleast 3 times, and laughed my ass off!
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« Reply #131 on: April 11, 2006, 02:09:00 PM »
Yes, now Pillars of Hope for 18-22 year olds, I believe.
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