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Offline odie

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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2006, 10:14:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-03 12:51:00, SHH wrote:

"Not sure this matters with the law but I wonder if it matters legally whether or not the person is a minor. I got the impression that it was only adults who's mail was not allowed to be opened by someone else. Anybody care to find out this aspect of it? im just curious because there are other parts of law that are moot if the person is a minor."

It doesn't matter, it is settled law. Molina v. Williams says it all. What HLA is doing is unconstitutional and there is no way around it.

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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2006, 11:17:00 AM »
The USPS did not give a satisfactory answer...queried again asking what exactly "legally" means.



Thank you for visiting our website.  I understand you want to know if a
school can open the students mail. I apologize for any inconvenience
this may have caused.

The United States Postal Service delivers mail as addressed (including
to authorized agents in the case of accountable mail).

Keep in mind that a company, school or institution may legally have
policies in place regarding handling of mail items sent to the place of
business. If this is the case, you should try to work within their
company to resolve the problem.

If I can be of assistance to you in the future, please don?t hesitate
to contact me.  Thank you for using the United States Postal Service.

Stephanie

Hello...I would like to know if there are any regulations or statutes
that protect mail of 'minor age'children....I understand the statutes
as written, but does this apply to 'minor age' children, that are away
at Boarding Schools?  Do these schools have the right to go through
mail sent to children from their families, edit them, hold them or
dspose of them?  Also, do the schools have the right to hold USPS packages
from families and go through them?  Or is mail to 'minor age'
children governed by the same Federal Regulations as granted to
adults.. Are children granted the same Federal Rights concerning mail,
as adults...?
Thank you for your attention.
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2006, 11:32:00 AM »
Thank you for writing again.

I apologize, I do not have the specifics regarding the schools
acceptance of mail.  You will have to speak with the school directly. The
Postal Service responsibility for the mail ends when it is delivered (even
if it was meant for someone else).
You should try to contact the school and correct the error by working
it out with them.

If I can be of assistance to you in the future, please don?t hesitate
to contact me.  Thank you for using the United States Postal Service.
 
Stephanie

 - 04/04/2006 09:12 AM
Dear Stephanie,
 Thank you for your timely response.  When you state the school may
"legally" have
policies in place regarding childrens mail received..can you explain
what you mean by
"legally"...
 
 Thank you.
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2006, 11:39:00 AM »
Thank you for writing again. I apologize, via the email desk I do not
have  information  regarding the statutes governing mail.  

If I can be of assistance to you in the future, please don?t hesitate
to contact me.  Thank you for using the United States Postal Service.
 
Stephanie
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2006, 11:45:00 AM »
Dah, why bother asking...I feel like I am dealing with the ORS or SACS....
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2006, 11:48:00 AM »
Molina vs. Williams....I cannot find it..What is it about...where can I access?
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2006, 12:10:00 PM »
This is unbelievable!! Until the next one...


Thank you for writing again.

For further assistance I am forwarding your inquiry to our Publications
office.

 If I can be of assistance to you in the future, please don?t hesitate
to contact me. Thank you for using the United States Postal Service.

 Stephanie
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2006, 12:10:00 PM »
This is unbelievable!! Until the next one...


Thank you for writing again.

For further assistance I am forwarding your inquiry to our Publications
office.

 If I can be of assistance to you in the future, please don?t hesitate
to contact me. Thank you for using the United States Postal Service.

 Stephanie
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2006, 01:21:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-04 08:48:00, juniper2 wrote:

"Molina vs. Williams....I cannot find it..What is it about...where can I access?"


Have you seen this?
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#185358


http://www.heal-online.org/provocases.htm If that fails try The Case Against Provo Canyon School This apparently is a HEAL link. The one bad part of the ruling is that this circuit feels the eight amendment only applies to people who have been convicted of a crime. But the fact that they upheld the constitutional rights of children to first and 14th amendment protection, and they are such a conservative circuit is good news. Best of luck.

More here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2 ... gle+Search



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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2006, 02:51:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-04 08:45:00, juniper2 wrote:

"Dah, why bother asking...I feel like I am dealing with the ORS or SACS...."

You really can't blame her for that response. My suggestion would for the anon who said they opened mail written by the lawyer to file a formal complaint with the postal inspector. Once they have a specific complaint it will be investigated. I believe tampering with communications between a lawyer and client is a felony, I may be mistaken, but I know its a serious offense.

I believe that human beings arrive on this Earth wanting to know absolutely everything, and the best thing we can do as parents is to get out of the way -- just be there to let them know what opportunities are there
-- Dorothy Werner, media liaison for the National Homeschool Association

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« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2006, 04:04:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-04 08:32:00, juniper2 wrote:

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Dear Stephanie,

 Thank you for your timely response.  When you state the school may

"legally" have

policies in place regarding childrens mail received..can you explain

what you mean by

"legally"...

 

 Thank you.

"



I think maybe there may be wiggle room for the school if they state a policy and the parent authorizes the school to "help" (yeah sure) their child. Wouldn't the school be a defacto guardian at that point? I don't know he legalities of minors, but I believe the guardian of the minor is a key issue.

Found this gem from Milonas v. Williams articles:
" The State must provide minimum procedural safeguards before placing juveniles in disciplinary confinement. Milonas v. Williams, 691 F.2d 931, at 941-942 & n.4 (10th Cir. 1982). It must also not censor mail based on criticisms of the juvenile institution. Id. at 940-941. Finally, it must provide juveniles with adequate mental health care. Youngberg, 457 U.S. at 315."

This was regarding State run institutions, does anyone know how HLA would differ?

Criticisms? HLA? thin skinned?
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