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hyde is great
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Emil Nightrate,
With a name like that, we must have been friends. I remember that "The Book" was Joe Gauld's baby and "America's Spirit" was Ed Legg's creation, joint with Sumner Hawley and Bud Warren, which they then took on the road. Those were obviously more hopeful times.
This division of Joe Gauld on the one hand and Legg, Hawley, and Warren on the other exactly coincides with the one I mentioned earlier between abuser and nonabuser. To the other poster who mentioned that psychological and verbal abuse were condoned, I can testify that I saw not three feet from where I was standing Joe Gauld smack around a girl hard enough to send her glasses flying to the other end of the corridor, and then chase her, screaming and crying, out of the Student Union to some unspecified punishment, because he didn't like the way she had returned his greeting! Hyde lost me then. I determined to stay out of trouble, but at the same time to shut my heart against the faculty and student leadership. For two years and a summer I held myself severely aloof from all but the three faculty members I mentioned.
Warren, Legg, and others quit as a result of disagreements that arose with Joe Gauld during my time at Hyde and shortly thereafter. As far as I'm concerned, Gauld purged Hyde of its better, more humane element, who I suspect called his abusiveness into question. And look who Gauld then gathered around him and elevated to headmaster: other abusers, Ken Grant and Paul Hurd. Under such a succession, is it any wonder that the ideals of the seventies -- "The Book," "America's Spirit," "character education," and educational reform -- are ancient history?
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I have heard those stories. I never saw physical abuse. I saw verbal abuse, I recall Joe screaming at and spitting on the student body. I never sat in the first row, so I did not get wet.
It is very disappointing that there is no connection between the present incarnation of Hyde and the more humane element from the early days. They were all purged when Joe came back. Larry Pray , who was actually an ordained minister, was a real bright spot in contrast to folks that seemed to have a prediliction to drive an index finger into your collar bone or delight in being the task master of the redundent movement of wood. His brother Doug is making movies.
Joe's mecurial temper reminded me of my father's. Having been abused as a child, I had no desire to repeat the experiance as a teenager so a steered a wide course around Joe. Joe is a problematic figure. Hyde was his baby. Hyde foundered without him, yet he seems to keep planting his foot foursquare in the dog shit. He is screaming at people in DC, he is locking horns with parents that end up taking the school to court ....
Emil Nightrate
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Your description of Joe is so sad. I guess his true colors haven't faded much, if at all, over the years. It's amazing to me that his rants and abusive behavior continue; actually, I'm more amazed that the powers-that-be at the school (including the board) tolerate his dysfunctional and truly embarrassing behavior. Don't all of them realize how he damages Hyde's already sullied reputation? No wonder Hyde has so many people talking about how bad the school is.
What do you know about parents who are taking Hyde to court? I'm aware of the recent lawsuit, filed in Connecticut and posted on the Internet. I gather this lawsuit was recently settled, which probably means the family has to keep their collective mouths shut (gag order that's probably part of the settlement). What other legal cases against Hyde are out there?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Emil Nightrate,
With a name like that, we must have been friends. I remember that "The Book" was Joe Gauld's baby and "America's Spirit" was Ed Legg's creation, joint with Sumner Hawley and Bud Warren, which they then took on the road. Those were obviously more hopeful times.
This division of Joe Gauld on the one hand and Legg, Hawley, and Warren on the other exactly coincides with the one I mentioned earlier between abuser and nonabuser. To the other poster who mentioned that psychological and verbal abuse were condoned, I can testify that I saw not three feet from where I was standing Joe Gauld smack around a girl hard enough to send her glasses flying to the other end of the corridor, and then chase her, screaming and crying, out of the Student Union to some unspecified punishment, because he didn't like the way she had returned his greeting! Hyde lost me then. I determined to stay out of trouble, but at the same time to shut my heart against the faculty and student leadership. For two years and a summer I held myself severely aloof from all but the three faculty members I mentioned.
Warren, Legg, and others quit as a result of disagreements that arose with Joe Gauld during my time at Hyde and shortly thereafter. As far as I'm concerned, Gauld purged Hyde of its better, more humane element, who I suspect called his abusiveness into question. And look who Gauld then gathered around him and elevated to headmaster: other abusers, Ken Grant and Paul Hurd. Under such a succession, is it any wonder that the ideals of the seventies -- "The Book," "America's Spirit," "character education," and educational reform -- are ancient history?
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I have heard those stories. I never saw physical abuse. I saw verbal abuse, I recall Joe screaming at and spitting on the student body. I never sat in the first row, so I did not get wet.
It is very disappointing that there is no connection between the present incarnation of Hyde and the more humane element from the early days. They were all purged when Joe came back. Larry Pray , who was actually an ordained minister, was a real bright spot in contrast to folks that seemed to have a prediliction to drive an index finger into your collar bone or delight in being the task master of the redundent movement of wood. His brother Doug is making movies.
Joe's mecurial temper reminded me of my father's. Having been abused as a child, I had no desire to repeat the experiance as a teenager so a steered a wide course around Joe. Joe is a problematic figure. Hyde was his baby. Hyde foundered without him, yet he seems to keep planting his foot foursquare in the dog shit. He is screaming at people in DC, he is locking horns with parents that end up taking the school to court ....
Emil Nightrate
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Your description of Joe is so sad. I guess his true colors haven't faded much, if at all, over the years. It's amazing to me that his rants and abusive behavior continue; actually, I'm more amazed that the powers-that-be at the school (including the board) tolerate his dysfunctional and truly embarrassing behavior. Don't all of them realize how he damages Hyde's already sullied reputation? No wonder Hyde has so many people talking about how bad the school is.
What do you know about parents who are taking Hyde to court? I'm aware of the recent lawsuit, filed in Connecticut and posted on the Internet. I gather this lawsuit was recently settled, which probably means the family has to keep their collective mouths shut (gag order that's probably part of the settlement). What other legal cases against Hyde are out there?
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I recently heard about a family who was trying to decide which program to send their son to. Hyde was one of the ones they were considering, but they have decided against it after talking to a couple of parents on this board.
As far as the board keeping Gauld, don't you realize he has put many of his rich followers on the board? Many corporations do this same thing to ensure the CEO can still control everything.
Anonymous:
WithOUT Joe, the school is less than mediocre. Why on earth would you go there?
WITH Joe, it at least has some entertainment value (assuming you don't take it too seriously, and don't sit in the front row).
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---which program to send their son to
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Eenie meeney miney mo.
Which abuse pit? They don't know.
That's because their minds are slow.
Are they sane? Survey says no.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Emil Nightrate,
With a name like that, we must have been friends. I remember that "The Book" was Joe Gauld's baby and "America's Spirit" was Ed Legg's creation, joint with Sumner Hawley and Bud Warren, which they then took on the road. Those were obviously more hopeful times.
This division of Joe Gauld on the one hand and Legg, Hawley, and Warren on the other exactly coincides with the one I mentioned earlier between abuser and nonabuser. To the other poster who mentioned that psychological and verbal abuse were condoned, I can testify that I saw not three feet from where I was standing Joe Gauld smack around a girl hard enough to send her glasses flying to the other end of the corridor, and then chase her, screaming and crying, out of the Student Union to some unspecified punishment, because he didn't like the way she had returned his greeting! Hyde lost me then. I determined to stay out of trouble, but at the same time to shut my heart against the faculty and student leadership. For two years and a summer I held myself severely aloof from all but the three faculty members I mentioned.
Warren, Legg, and others quit as a result of disagreements that arose with Joe Gauld during my time at Hyde and shortly thereafter. As far as I'm concerned, Gauld purged Hyde of its better, more humane element, who I suspect called his abusiveness into question. And look who Gauld then gathered around him and elevated to headmaster: other abusers, Ken Grant and Paul Hurd. Under such a succession, is it any wonder that the ideals of the seventies -- "The Book," "America's Spirit," "character education," and educational reform -- are ancient history?
--- End quote ---
I have heard those stories. I never saw physical abuse. I saw verbal abuse, I recall Joe screaming at and spitting on the student body. I never sat in the first row, so I did not get wet.
It is very disappointing that there is no connection between the present incarnation of Hyde and the more humane element from the early days. They were all purged when Joe came back. Larry Pray , who was actually an ordained minister, was a real bright spot in contrast to folks that seemed to have a prediliction to drive an index finger into your collar bone or delight in being the task master of the redundent movement of wood. His brother Doug is making movies.
Joe's mecurial temper reminded me of my father's. Having been abused as a child, I had no desire to repeat the experiance as a teenager so a steered a wide course around Joe. Joe is a problematic figure. Hyde was his baby. Hyde foundered without him, yet he seems to keep planting his foot foursquare in the dog shit. He is screaming at people in DC, he is locking horns with parents that end up taking the school to court ....
Emil Nightrate
--- End quote ---
Your description of Joe is so sad. I guess his true colors haven't faded much, if at all, over the years. It's amazing to me that his rants and abusive behavior continue; actually, I'm more amazed that the powers-that-be at the school (including the board) tolerate his dysfunctional and truly embarrassing behavior. Don't all of them realize how he damages Hyde's already sullied reputation? No wonder Hyde has so many people talking about how bad the school is.
What do you know about parents who are taking Hyde to court? I'm aware of the recent lawsuit, filed in Connecticut and posted on the Internet. I gather this lawsuit was recently settled, which probably means the family has to keep their collective mouths shut (gag order that's probably part of the settlement). What other legal cases against Hyde are out there?
--- End quote ---
I recently heard about a family who was trying to decide which program to send their son to. Hyde was one of the ones they were considering, but they have decided against it after talking to a couple of parents on this board.
As far as the board keeping Gauld, don't you realize he has put many of his rich followers on the board? Many corporations do this same thing to ensure the CEO can still control everything.
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I thought it was the other way around. A rich guy took over the board and put Joe back in. Joe is the tail in this case, the guy that stacked the BoG is the Dog, a Black Dog.
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