Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Second Nature Wilderness Program
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---< My friends with teenage kids think you Program Parents are walking nightmares.
Julie"
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Have the sons of your friends beaten their mothers or young daughters while they were hopped up on whatever drug they could get their hands on? Until you've been there, it's hard to say what you would do. A walking nightmare did that in our home. It was our son. Imagine how you would feel if Katie had an older brother and beat you both bloody. It changes lives and perspectives.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 15:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ok, DJ you make some valid points. I realize that my kid's success may be an anomaly. Julie, I think, has her heart in the right place but is blinded by arrogance and an "it won't happen to me" mentality. One anon obviously hates Julie and is cynical. Another anon likes the program and occasionally weighs in to keep this thread balanced. Eudora obviously has had a bad experience and I'm sorry for her. But, my last word is that Second Nature Wilderness Program is a good place with a safe record, a talented, educated staff and lots of former parents and students that believe in it. That's where this started and that where I'm signing off. I'm not going to beat this dead horse. Though it was fun realizing yet one more time that I did the right thing and wasn't a wasted afternoon defending my decision and the program. "
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Don't mistake annoyance for arrogance.
My kid will go through her teenage years just like everybody else does. They'll be rough. Adolescence is a tough life stage, whether you're the teen or the parent. Adolescence is just plain hard.
Programs are a bad "solution" to a tough life stage that can't be "solved" in the first place---it can only be navigated.
Teenagers "happen" to parents in the same way that two year olds do, and for the same reason.
Arrogant? I've just been through enough tough shit in life, and have enough respect and admiration for my husband, and have enough respect for our extended family, that I'm confident we'll cope. People do, you know.
You guys sound like divorcees predicting doom on the eve of every wedding. That's for the same old reasons, too. The predictions of doom have a lot more to do with the acrimony of the predicter's divorce than with the compatibility prospects of the couple.
I love it when people hear confidence that someone can cope and take it as naivete or presume they're living the life of Reilly and have not a care in the world. You never know what burdens the other guy is carrying.
I'm not saying I'm better than the other parents in my community in my ability to cope. Parents cope. Most well enough, some very badly. I'm not perfect, but I'm about average for my community---we're blessed with a lot of good parents (involved, see that the homework is done, go to conferences, apply responsible discipline and don't think our kids are perfect).
I'm not saying Program Parents have no burdens to carry. Of course they do. They just tend to assume they're the only ones with heavy burdens to carry. Sure Program Parents have burdens--Programs are a very bad choice about how to deal with those burdens. I'd say analogous to the bad choice to self-medicate with anything from excessive alcohol to ice, depending on the Program.
I don't object to *care*---I'm all in favor of quality, responsible mental health care (hey, we use it.)---I just object to *bad* care that costs an arm and a leg.
Julie
Anonymous:
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Free clue. My friends with teenage kids think you Program Parents are walking nightmares.
Julie"
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Let me guess....your friends must be college professors.
Deborah:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 21:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
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< My friends with teenage kids think you Program Parents are walking nightmares.
Julie"
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Have the sons of your friends beaten their mothers or young daughters while they were hopped up on whatever drug they could get their hands on? Until you've been there, it's hard to say what you would do. A walking nightmare did that in our home. It was our son. Imagine how you would feel if Katie had an older brother and beat you both bloody. It changes lives and perspectives."
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Jesus Christ. Ditto what I just said in the WWASP forum to a similar comment:
Out of control, preatory, violent crimes.
Sounds like an admission that the facility is a middle-class, private-pay prison?
If what you're saying is true, might Corey or the other boy belong in jail? Rather than incarcerated with other kids, some of whom have been refered to as spoiled brats, who weren't violent, predatory, out of control?
Is that why some of these places are run like Oz? Because they're housing violent, predatory, juvenile criminals.
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Ya know, when you're trying to defend programs employing uncredential staff, the argument goes that the kids are not violent or seriously 'mentally ill'.
When you are deperately attempting to justify putting your kid away, they are violent, predatory criminals that need to be incarcerated.
It's obvious you didn't know how to 'help' your violent kid. So, you're solution was to board him with kids who are flunking algebra or have partners/ friends their parents don't approve of?
Anonymous:
no, just trying to find out how much Julie will take before she takes action.
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